That's not the way it's supposed to work. That's Protestantism, not the Catholic Faith.
You misunderstand me.
The Catholic faith should be the same for every country, every parish, every family. Now there's hardly 2 parishes that believe the same and worship the same. Not to speak of families.
Of course, as you say, each father has a responsibility to be the spiritual head of his family. But the faith that we should be teaching our children should be the same faith, the same belief, the same worship.
You are under the impression that I don't agree? This is the problem. I see hwo you are doing what you think is best for your family. But you can't see that I am tryign to pass on the same faith. Except that my priest faces one direction and yours the other, so I must have a different faith? Please. Recognize the ally you have in the conservative Catholic who would prefer a proper NO Mass.
As was indicated above, that would include the ordinary responses in Latin, and the teaching and readings in English. Not clown Masses, no dancing girls. Just the Mass as Vatican II envisioned.
What I said was that it's presumptious to ignore known dangers. People die from accidents all the time, but those who are walking along the edge of a cliff are taking a much greater risk.
Says the schismatic.
As the original writer to EWTN said, the New Mass is a known danger to the faith of children. This is a fact as demonstrated by mountains of data.
And the dangers of schism aren't writ large as well?
Since you are willing to agree that not one single prayer of the traditional Catholic Mass remains untouched in the New Mass, then you must at least stop and consider whether it is true that they are "the same Mass."
I have conceded the point, for the time being. I have not studied to see if "every" prayer is different, but will grant you this for the debate.
I don't recall sayign they were "the same MaAss." The NO is a valid Mass, and inasmuch as any Mass is a participation in the One Sacrifice, then they are "the same."
But in general, they are both Masses. As similar as they are different. An Eastern Rite Mass is not the Tridentine either, but it is still a valid Mass.
Catholic philosophy has always been consistent with human reason. Two things that are utterly different cannot be the same.
Where did "utterly different" come from? In no way has that been shown. A validly ordained priest says the words of consecration over valid matter. The sacrament is valid.
If the New Mass is in fact NOT the same as the traditional Catholic Mass, then what kind of service are you attending?
Maybe a Mass accrding to the New Rite? The words and gestures and prayers are not all the same, but it is still a valid Mass. That is the point. Can you concede that?
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I have spent many years in the church of the New Mass, and now I attend only the Latin Mass. I can say that it is NOT the same faith. Obviously you are well-intentioned and trying to be a faithful Catholic. But the reality is that the Catholic Faith you are being given is not the same.
And the dangers of schism aren't writ large as well?
Indeed they are. There are no easy answers in a time like this, just as there were no easy answers for Catholics in England at the time of Queen Elizabeth. My experience has been, and this has been verified by the experience of millions of Catholics who have voted with their feet, that the New Mass is a proximate danger to the faith, especially for children. The traditional Catholic Mass has its own danger of a schismatic spirit, but at least you have a fighting chance.
I don't recall saying they were "the same Mass."
To me, this is the whole argument in a nutshell. If it is not the same Mass, then it is a counterfeit. And it cannot be compared to an Eastern Rite liturgy because those, like the traditional Catholic Mass, are organic creations that can be traced back to the apostles. The same cannot be said of the committe headed by Bugnini that created the New Mass out of whole cloth, just like the Protestant reformers did.