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But you can't see that I am tryign to pass on the same faith. Except that my priest faces one direction and yours the other, so I must have a different faith? Please.

I have spent many years in the church of the New Mass, and now I attend only the Latin Mass. I can say that it is NOT the same faith. Obviously you are well-intentioned and trying to be a faithful Catholic. But the reality is that the Catholic Faith you are being given is not the same.

And the dangers of schism aren't writ large as well?

Indeed they are. There are no easy answers in a time like this, just as there were no easy answers for Catholics in England at the time of Queen Elizabeth. My experience has been, and this has been verified by the experience of millions of Catholics who have voted with their feet, that the New Mass is a proximate danger to the faith, especially for children. The traditional Catholic Mass has its own danger of a schismatic spirit, but at least you have a fighting chance.

I don't recall saying they were "the same Mass."

To me, this is the whole argument in a nutshell. If it is not the same Mass, then it is a counterfeit. And it cannot be compared to an Eastern Rite liturgy because those, like the traditional Catholic Mass, are organic creations that can be traced back to the apostles. The same cannot be said of the committe headed by Bugnini that created the New Mass out of whole cloth, just like the Protestant reformers did.

I have spent many years in the church of the New Mass, and now I attend only the Latin Mass. I can say that it is NOT the same faith. Obviously you are well-intentioned and trying to be a faithful Catholic. But the reality is that the Catholic Faith you are being given is not the same.

I would be fascinated to hear exactly how I am deficient. What "Reality" of the Faith do I not have? What tenet am I missing? What Truth am I not getting?

SD

To me, this is the whole argument in a nutshell. If it is not the same Mass, then it is a counterfeit. And it cannot be compared to an Eastern Rite liturgy because those, like the traditional Catholic Mass, are organic creations that can be traced back to the apostles. The same cannot be said of the committe headed by Bugnini that created the New Mass out of whole cloth, just like the Protestant reformers did.

This is where you lose it. I looked at the side-by-side comparison of the liturgy, and while the NO is scaled back, I just don't see it as "inorganic" or "entirely different."

These things have not been shown. Maybe you look at the comparison to see what is different, but did you ever look to see what was the same?

What thing that is missing or different makes the NO Mass not valid as a Mass at all?

SD

Thanks for the ping. I answered Soothing Dave, but have to run. catholics do not get much of a choice though, because the Tridentine Mass is forbidden in places (on another post I saw Levada has done that) and is very scarce in others (such as in my diocese). When it is offered, it is at an inconvenient time (2pm Sun.) and the GOSPEL IS SAID IN LATIN! No sermon. So much for helping my daughter in the spiritual dept. Well, must run. And Egan of NY is a wolf in sheep's clothing, I might add.

I have spent many years in the church of the New Mass, and now I attend only the Latin Mass.

Tell me, is this a diocesan sanctioned Indult Tridentine Rite or an SSPX chapel?