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To: Maximilian
If so, then you will be committing the sin of presumption. If you say to yourself, "I can see millions upon millions of the faithful dropping away, but I know that I and my family are immune," then you do not show proper humility, distrust of self, and fear of sin.

I commit no sin different than those who assume that a Latin Mass is a panacea. How about I teach my kids the faith, and you do the same, OK?

It's clear that the vast majority of Catholics don't even attend Mass on Sunday anymore. And that's just the bare minimum. How many are following the Church's teaching on birth control (a mortal sin that leads to damnation)? Statistics indicate less than 5%. Belief in the real presence has plummetted. What makes you think that you are unique? Do you think that none of these people knew the words of the New Mass?

Yes, society is collapsing. Are those who hear the Mass in Latin immune from this? Nobody at a Latin Mass is a a sinner? Is that what you are saying?

The Church has failed splendidly to pass on the faith in the last 40 years or so, and that failure has been in adapting too much, being too "progressive." The remedy is to find the proper balance, not to retreat into isolated shell communities, who "tsk tsk" at others' failures.

You will find that not one single prayer remains unchanged.

Yes. What is your point? That the Church lacks the authority to change the texts of Her own liturgy?

SD

13 posted on 04/07/2003 12:21:39 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
How about I teach my kids the faith, and you do the same, OK?

That's not the way it's supposed to work. That's Protestantism, not the Catholic Faith. The Catholic faith should be the same for every country, every parish, every family. Now there's hardly 2 parishes that believe the same and worship the same. Not to speak of families.

Of course, as you say, each father has a responsibility to be the spiritual head of his family. But the faith that we should be teaching our children should be the same faith, the same belief, the same worship.

Nobody at a Latin Mass is a a sinner? Is that what you are saying?

I'm sure you're aware that I did not say any such thing. What I said was that it's presumptious to ignore known dangers. People die from accidents all the time, but those who are walking along the edge of a cliff are taking a much greater risk. As the original writer to EWTN said, the New Mass is a known danger to the faith of children. This is a fact as demonstrated by mountains of data.

Yes. What is your point? That the Church lacks the authority to change the texts of Her own liturgy?

Since you are willing to agree that not one single prayer of the traditional Catholic Mass remains untouched in the New Mass, then you must at least stop and consider whether it is true that they are "the same Mass." Catholic philosophy has always been consistent with human reason. Two things that are utterly different cannot be the same. If the New Mass is in fact NOT the same as the traditional Catholic Mass, then what kind of service are you attending?

16 posted on 04/07/2003 12:31:18 PM PDT by Maximilian
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