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To: SoothingDave
I intend to teach my children to listen during Mass and to know the texts that are used. Then I won't worry so much that the furniture or how the priest stands will destroy my children's faith.

If so, then you will be committing the sin of presumption. If you say to yourself, "I can see millions upon millions of the faithful dropping away, but I know that I and my family are immune," then you do not show proper humility, distrust of self, and fear of sin.

It's clear that the vast majority of Catholics don't even attend Mass on Sunday anymore. And that's just the bare minimum. How many are following the Church's teaching on birth control (a mortal sin that leads to damnation)? Statistics indicate less than 5%. Belief in the real presence has plummetted. What makes you think that you are unique? Do you think that none of these people knew the words of the New Mass?

Of course, as you say, knowing "the texts that are used" is always a good idea. Why not start by learning the text that was always used for over a thousand years? And then comparing it to the text that is used today? You will find that not one single prayer remains unchanged. Here is a website where you can see the New Mass side-by-side with a translation of the Latin Mass:
Missals Comparison

11 posted on 04/07/2003 12:05:42 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
If so, then you will be committing the sin of presumption. If you say to yourself, "I can see millions upon millions of the faithful dropping away, but I know that I and my family are immune," then you do not show proper humility, distrust of self, and fear of sin.

I commit no sin different than those who assume that a Latin Mass is a panacea. How about I teach my kids the faith, and you do the same, OK?

It's clear that the vast majority of Catholics don't even attend Mass on Sunday anymore. And that's just the bare minimum. How many are following the Church's teaching on birth control (a mortal sin that leads to damnation)? Statistics indicate less than 5%. Belief in the real presence has plummetted. What makes you think that you are unique? Do you think that none of these people knew the words of the New Mass?

Yes, society is collapsing. Are those who hear the Mass in Latin immune from this? Nobody at a Latin Mass is a a sinner? Is that what you are saying?

The Church has failed splendidly to pass on the faith in the last 40 years or so, and that failure has been in adapting too much, being too "progressive." The remedy is to find the proper balance, not to retreat into isolated shell communities, who "tsk tsk" at others' failures.

You will find that not one single prayer remains unchanged.

Yes. What is your point? That the Church lacks the authority to change the texts of Her own liturgy?

SD

13 posted on 04/07/2003 12:21:39 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Maximilian
I know that you all say that Catholics have fallen away like flies. I know there is a shortage of vocations but do you have statistics? I'd be interested in them if you know where to find them.

I did find a site that gives a lot of information but I couldn't find their sources. It shows Catholicism as a % of world population going up 1.76% from 1900 to 1970 and going down .65% from 1970 to mid-2000 and essentially remaining steady to mid 2002.

60 posted on 04/07/2003 5:12:51 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Maximilian
http://gem-werc.org/

Here is the site I got my information from, it is really quite interesting.

89 posted on 04/07/2003 9:06:49 PM PDT by tiki
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