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The Story of Michael
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Posted on 03/12/2003 3:45:32 PM PST by Land of the Irish

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To: narses; Land of the Irish
Bump! Great post.
21 posted on 05/02/2003 10:09:09 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: narses
Ping. Is there anyone who knows where to find the actual prayer referred to in the article?

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

22 posted on 05/05/2003 6:00:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: dsc
Instead of "defend us in battle," implying the battle that rages each and every day, we're given "defend us in (some far-off future) day of battle."

Hmmm... Good point.

23 posted on 05/05/2003 6:02:27 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: PFKEY
We do pray to God.

And God appoints the saints and angels to continue praying for us. If your Mom prayed for you while on earth, and if your Mom is alive in heaven -- really alive -- what makes you think she would stop praying for you?????

24 posted on 05/05/2003 6:27:23 AM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: dsc
I don't think it's a degrading of the prayer. "In the day of battle" is a biblical poetic word order that means "in battle." It actually means "in time of battle."
25 posted on 05/05/2003 6:29:36 AM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: RockBassCreek
"I don't think it's a degrading of the prayer. "In the day of battle" is a biblical poetic word order that means "in battle." It actually means "in time of battle."

No, "in the day of battle" means "in the day of battle." That implies some "day" lying in the future.

It's a bad translation.

Defende nos in proelio--defend us in battle.
26 posted on 05/05/2003 5:17:22 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
It means any time in which we're in battle (including this day if that state entails on this day). AND -- it is a poetic/metaphorical usage. It's all encompassing.

There is no degrading there. My opinion.

We're certainly allowed to disagree, though, aren't we? ;^)

27 posted on 05/05/2003 5:30:56 PM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: RockBassCreek
"We're certainly allowed to disagree, though, aren't we? ;^)"

Yes, and I do.
28 posted on 05/05/2003 6:57:42 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Land of the Irish; *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; ...
Everyone needs to read this story!!!

The Story of Michael

29 posted on 09/29/2003 6:14:33 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PFKEY; 8mmMauser
I don't believe that the Saints and angels just sit up in Heaven on a cloud, playing a harp. God has rewarded their faithful service to Him by allowing them to intercede for us. It's not that the Creator is too busy to listen to our prayers - it's a privilege for those in His heavenly court.

Have you ever asked someone to pray for you in a time of need? Why not ask someone you know that is in the presence of God Himself? They can hear you.

30 posted on 09/29/2003 6:59:29 PM PDT by Possenti
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To: PFKEY
Nice story and all but where in my NT Bible can I find a commandment or an example of someone praying to a dead person?

2 Maccabees 12

42 7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45 But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46 Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Maccabees is one of the seven deuterocanonical books that Luther removed from the Bible (by what authority?) because he didn't like this passage.

31 posted on 09/30/2003 4:51:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: narses
There is a poem, "Michael, Michael" that could be said as a prayer. Catholic Tradition says it cannot find the prayer per se.
32 posted on 09/30/2003 5:58:57 AM PDT by Nora
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To: dsc
Try this on for size memory! I think it is the original long version written by Pope Leo XIII:

PRAYER TO ST. MICHAEL

O Glorious Archangel St. Michael, Prince of the heavenly host, be our defense in the terrible warfare which we carry on against principalities and Powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, spirits of evil. Come to the aid of man, whom God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of the devil. Fight this day the battle of the Lord, together with the holy angels, as already thou hast fought the leader of the proud angels, Lucifer, and his apostate host, who were powerless to resist Thee, nor was there place for them any longer in heaven. That cruel, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil or Satan, who seduces the whole world, was cast into the abyss with his angels. Behold, this primeval enemy and slayer of men has taken courage. Transformed into an angel of light, he wanders about with all the multitude of wicked spirits, invading the earth in order to blot out the name of God and of His Christ, to seize upon, slay and cast into eternal perdition souls destined for the crown of eternal glory. This wicked dragon pours out, as a most impure flood, the venom of his malice on men, of his depraved mind, corrupt heart, spirit of lying, impiety, blasphemy, his pestilent breath of impurity, and of every vice and iniquity. These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered. Arise then, 0 invincible Prince, bring help against the attacks of the lost spirits to the people of God, and give them the victory. They venerate Thee as their protector and patron; in Thee Holy Church glories as her defense against the malicious power of hell; to Thee has God entrusted the souls of men to be established in heavenly beatitude. Oh, pray to the God of peace that He may put Satan under our feet, so far conquered that he may no longer be able to hold men in captivity and harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that they may quickly conciliate the mercies of the Lord; and beating down the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, do Thou again make him captive in the abyss, that he may no longer seduce the nations. Amen

V. Behold the Cross of the Lord; be scattered hostile powers.

R.. The Lion of the tribe of Juda has conquered, the root of David.

V. Let Thy mercies be upon us, O Lord.

R. As we have hoped in Thee.

V O Lord, hear my prayer.

R. And let my cry come unto Thee.

Let us pray.

O God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, we call upon Thy holy name, and we suppliantly implore Thy clemency, that by the intercession of Mary, ever Virgin Immaculate and our Mother, and of the glorious Archangel St. Michael, Thou wouldst deign to help us against Satan and all other unclean spirits, who wander about the world for the injury of the human race and ruin of souls. Amen.

Pope Leo XIII 1888

33 posted on 09/30/2003 1:13:52 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Jael
In your Bible translation, there has been some addded words, and, some mis-translations.

tresspasses is a more accurate rendering than debtors.

Also, Either the "Thine is..", or the " For the Kingdom..." are something that was added by a monk later, and do not belong to the original "Our Father".

34 posted on 09/30/2003 2:50:36 PM PDT by haole (John 10 30)
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To: TotusTuus
You expect me to memorize that, at my age?

Okay, I'll put it on my to-do list--right below becoming an all-pro quarterback for the Dolphins.
35 posted on 09/30/2003 5:57:49 PM PDT by dsc
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To: haole
Not to mention the assertion that "sed libera nos a malo" doesn't mean, "deliver us from evil," but rather "deliver us from the Evil One."
36 posted on 09/30/2003 6:04:55 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Land of the Irish
Fascinating, LOTI
37 posted on 10/23/2003 5:15:07 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Land of the Irish
Great story; a needed, refreshing break to interrupt the reading of so many non-uplifting (could it be... Sataaan?!) daily articles.  Thank you and FReegards!
38 posted on 10/23/2003 5:36:24 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: Land of the Irish

Came here from the Rosary For Pope Benedict thread. I was just thinking, this is the guardian we call for to protect His Holiness.
Cartainly I can see Saint Michael, Protector of the Human Race, tall, resplendent, armed with sword, in the dress blues of a United States Marine, needed now more than ever!


40 posted on 09/20/2006 9:05:17 AM PDT by PandaRosaMishima (she who tends the Nightunicorn)
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