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To: Diago; narses; Loyalist; BlackElk; american colleen; saradippity; Polycarp; Dajjal; ...
Could you please explain the message behind Lent and why we do not fast every single day of the forty days?

This article is somewhat disingenuous by purposely obscuring the fact that the traditional practice IS to fast for every single one of the 40 days. The article talks about the 2nd century, but then jumps ahead to 1966, in a perfect example of the "antiquarianism" that was condemned by Pope Pius XII. Somehow it fails to mention that for hundreds of years prior to 1966, all faithful were obligated to fasting and partial abstinence EVERY day during Lent (except Sundays which technically are not included in Lent).

Prenant or nursing women and men who performed hard labor were exempted from the obligation except on Fridays and Ash Wednesday. This would have included a large percentage of the Catholic population a hundred years ago. But all those who lived the way that we live today were obligated to fast and abstain.

Fasting means taking only 2 small meals (called a "collation") not amounting to 1 normal meal, and 1 full meal. Meat, meat soup and meat gravy could only be eaten at the full meal. There could be no "eating between meals" (maybe your mother was on to something).

This is the first year that I have been fully aware of the traditional practice. It would seem hypocritical to attend the Latin Mass but opt out of the difficult part of traditional Catholicism. So this year I plan to follow the traditional guidelines. I also ordered a calendar with both traditional and current feast days so I know when "Ember Days" and "Rogation Days" fall.

6 posted on 03/04/2003 9:50:54 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
When we were growing up my Mam always encouraged us to do something during Lent instead of abstaining.

This year, I hope to get to Mass every day. (I've been pretty lax in my faith of late, and this might be a good opportunity to get back on track).

7 posted on 03/04/2003 9:56:41 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Maximilian
Thanx, Max.

I notice that Sundays are not technically part of Lent... but I still observe the fast on that day and I will regardless. However, the mother of a friend of my daughter's told my daughter that she could partake on the Sundays in Lent, whatever it was she was giving up that year. Would that be correct then?

8 posted on 03/04/2003 9:59:20 AM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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To: Maximilian
Ahem. Not to correct you because you seem to know so much, but I think that all people over 60 years of age were also exempted from the fasting rules (and still are, as far as I know.) Please correct me, if I am wrong about this.
9 posted on 03/04/2003 10:01:33 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Maximilian; american colleen
I wouldn't describe the article as disingenuous, because she clearly mentions that Lent has undergone development and change. But I think it is good to encourage people to take up what penitence they can.

If you want to go back to erlier practices, though, Lent was not just fasting for all of the sixty days, it also included stricter fasts. It was common to abstain from meat, eggs, milk, butter, cheese, fish, oil, and wine.

Some even abstained from all food and beverages except breads, water, juices, honey, and nuts. (John the Baptist's diet)

There were also many other practice, including fasting from all food by ordinary Christians for an entire day.

16 posted on 03/04/2003 10:54:05 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Maximilian; afraidfortherepublic
Canon 1252 All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.

Besides those outside the age limits, also excused from fast or abstinence are those of unsound mind, the sick, the frail, pregnant or nursing women according to need for meat or nourishment, manual laborers according to need, guests at a meal who cannot excuse themselves without giving great offense or causing enmity and other situations of moral or physical impossibility to observe the penitential discipline.

Also, soldiers are often excused, which may be especially relevant this year.

17 posted on 03/04/2003 10:57:35 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Maximilian
Black bread and water is the Lenten fast. Now, would someone tell me where to get black bread instead of this cake they sell in American stores?
20 posted on 03/04/2003 1:51:44 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Maximilian
Thanks.

This is also my first traditional Lent observance. (My first ever). I'm not dreading it, as the preist warned against Sunday, but looking forward to the challenge.

Is there also an age "exemption" included in the Church laws for Lent? I believe it's ages 9-59 for the fasting rules. Regardless of that, the "patriarch" of the company I work for is a 75+ year-old traditionalist to whom age means nothing. He fasts like he's 20, and also often labors hard through the day. I've never seen anyone like him...

PS - the calendar is indeed very handy. Would yours happen to be printed by TAN Publishers?

21 posted on 03/04/2003 2:33:38 PM PST by Possenti
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To: Maximilian
Have you gone back to "nothing but water after midnight", before going to Communion the next morning, and no meat on Fridays?

I remember, as a kid attending Catholic school, taking our peanutbutter and jelly or fried egg sandwitch to school to eat 'after Mass'.

25 posted on 03/04/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by potlatch (Just think of it as "choosing to abort Saddam"! Dennis Miller)
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To: Maximilian
Somehow it fails to mention that for hundreds of years prior to 1966, all faithful were obligated to fasting and partial abstinence EVERY day during Lent

That is the case for all real Roman Catholics to this day. We got the regulations at Mass this week and they are posted on the refrigerator. One full meal with meat (except on days of abstinence) and two meals without meat that together do not equal one full meal. Them's the rules. Ignore them and you commit a mortal sin. No free rides in God's own Church.

26 posted on 03/04/2003 6:21:30 PM PST by Zviadist
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To: Maximilian
More information here, too.

Ash Wednesday

What is Lent?

Lent and Easter: A Sourcebook for Families The History of Lent

The Mystery of Lent

Practice During Lent

29 posted on 03/04/2003 7:13:08 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Maximilian
All About Lent
30 posted on 03/04/2003 7:15:07 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Maximilian
All these traditions of men.

To what end?

39 posted on 03/04/2003 10:38:06 PM PST by PFKEY
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