Failed Prophecies of Joseph Smith

Institute for Religious Studies ^

[Elsie]

Woof!

"I see the ****, but where's the sack???

[Elsie]

Your real master, Satan, is well pleased.

John 8:31-59
 31.  To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.
 32.  Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
 33.  They answered him, "We are Abraham's descendants  and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?"
 34.  Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
 35.  Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
 36.  So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
 37.  I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word.
 38.  I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father. "
 39.  "Abraham is our father," they answered.   "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would  do the things Abraham did.
 40.  As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
 41.  You are doing the things your own father does."   "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."
 42.  Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
 43.  Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
 44.  You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 45.  Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
 46.  Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?
 47.  He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
 48.  The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
 49.  "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you dishonor me.
 50.  I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.
 51.  I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death."
 52.  At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death.
 53.  Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?"
 54.  Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
 55.  Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word.
 56.  Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
 57.  "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
 58.  "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
 59.  At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

[Elsie]

Better a hypocrite than a demon-spawn.

"By choosing the lesser of two evils, you are STILL choosing evil!"
--Jesse Ventura

[Elsie]

...it's in our scriptures after all--and it bears no resemblence to what you posted.

Well... post it then, and PROVE he lies!

[Illbay]

Only the false prophets and apostles, an endeavor which the real Jesus commends...

Yeah, you and Torquemada would have been the bestest of buddies on that score. Following that being that can clothe himself as an angel of light, you and your ilk have helped deluge the earth in blood and horror.

And in the end, your hands dripping with blood, you find that "Jesus commends" you!

If that isn't the most satanic devilry, I don't know what can be.

Nice self help religion you have there.

Meantime, drstevej and his brethren-in-spirit "help" unbelievers to the cleansing fires of absolution kindled for the heretic (as they define it--might making right, and all).

I think I'll stick to perfecting myself, thank you.

Your blood-bath doesn't do much for me.

[Illbay]

It isn't pretty when you see how hard the devil will fight when confronted.

No, it isn't pretty. Rather, the "banality of evil" is what it is: Not pretty, not flashy, just ever-thirsting for the blood of the Saints.

You and your kind are constrained ONLY by law. In those places and in those eras where the law turns a blind eye--such as in frontier America in the 1830s--or actively abets it--Spain just after the Moorish occupation--you and your kind actively and enthusiastically feed the flames with the bodies of those unfortunate enough not to be able to stomach your wicked orthodoxy.

I know you. Very well. Good people everywhere know you, and we can tell you by your stench.

[Elsie]

What's that smell?

 

 

 

 

Could it be?

 

 

 

 

 

No!  It is!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's ABUSE!

[Illbay]

(I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)

HAH! Puny little minds, that can only believe what the nice, safe "orthodoxy" tells them to believe. "Let's make up even MORE manuscripts, and THEN we'll feel even better!"

Religion as a B-movie starring Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland.

Tiny, miniscule little minds. All the more dangerous for being filled with malevolence.

[Elsie]

Let's make up even MORE manuscripts, and THEN we'll feel even better!

Ok, since this is what you are trusting in........

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Hurry up and post the REAL LDS scripture so we can see his lies.

[Elsie]

The child psychologists of today tell us to just leave the room when a little one is having a tantrum, for it is just attention that they crave........

[drstevej]

***I think I'll stick to perfecting myself, thank you.***

Spoken like a Pharisee.

***Yeah, you and Torquemada would have been the bestest of buddies ***

Actually, you are the one that suggested that our deaths would solve your problems.

***Following that being that can clothe himself as an angel of light***

Is your reference to the Personages that appeared in the light to Joseph, the treasure digger?

[Illbay]

Go to the Mormon Apologetics websites and you'll find the answers. Oh, but you knew that; you know EXACTLY where to go to find the truth.

But being steeped in vile slander yourselves, you're not so much interested in where YOU can go to find the truth, but where you can go to find someone you can BLIND to the truth.

That is the way of it. The wicked are, paradoxically, always more interested in making sure that others behave themselves. The righteous are concerned about their own misbehavior (I believe it was you who enthused about the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican?)

In short, "Mormons" are mostly hard-working, God-fearing people who look after themselves, their families, fellow members, and fellow-creatures.

You and your type, on the other hand, mostly look for opportunties to destroy (as if you could) the happiness of good people like that.

You are such pitiful wretches; the more I think of it the sadder it makes me.

[Illbay]

Don't fret. The moment you drop dead, others will rise to take your places.

That's the way of wickedness. You never run out, you just make more.

[JesseShurun]

I'm even more confused than usual here: are you saying that Jesus Christ, as revealed in the true Word of God, the Torah and the New Testament, is not the Son of God and the ONLY way into heaven?

[Elsie]

I think I'll stick to perfecting myself, thank you.

Your blood-bath doesn't do much for me.

65 posted on 02/06/2003 4:16 PM EST by Illbay

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You may avoid the bloodbath if you wish, but for me, I will wallow in it!!

 

Hebrews 9:14
 14.  How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,  so that we may serve the living God!

 

Hebrews 9:22
 22.  In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

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Go ahead of me, please, and perfect YOURSELF.  I'll have to wait on the Lord for mine......

 

Matthew 8:2-3
 2.  A man with leprosy  came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
 3.  Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured  of his leprosy.

 

Matthew 15:11-12
 11.  What goes into a man's mouth does not make him `unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him `unclean.'"
 12.  Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?" (how about his fingertips, too?)

 

Matthew 15:18-19
 18.  But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean.'
 19.  For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

 

John 15:3
 3.  You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.

 

Acts 11:9
 9.  "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, `Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.'

 

Ephesians 5:25-27
 25.  Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
 26.  to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
 27.  and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

[Elsie]

You and your type, on the other hand, mostly look for opportunties to destroy ......

But THIS time, we're giving YOU an opportunity to enlighten: Just post the REAL prophecy yourself - right here - for all to see, and SHOW how the above is a lie.

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I do not force people to go chasing all over to find the stuff I want them to see, it's right here in plain view.

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Read 'em and weep: match the raise or fold: your call........

[Elsie]

(From here-->  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/837401/posts)

 

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The development came as Iraq rejected as "outrageous and unconvincing" the report to the U.N. by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell that it was hiding banned weapons, saying it would send a letter to the U.N. Security Council rebutting the allegations point by point.

Al-Sa'adi accused Powell repeatedly of "quoting out of context" and "conveniently omitting" details.

The Iraqi adviser said that the recordings of conversations between Iraqi military officers played by Powell were "fabrications unworthy of a superpower."

"I will not grace them with any more comments. They were below the level of a superpower. One can... fabricate anything in this regard and they are no evidence at all, al-Saadi said.

"Without any convincing evidence the allegations were more outrageous," he added.

"We have military secrets connected with our right to self-defense, nothing more," al-Saadi said.

He denied Iraq was hiding weapons of mass destruction and said thousands of pages of paper taken from an Iraqi scientists home had been made available to U.N. inspectors some time previously.

He said that missiles identified by Powell in one part of the report were missiles, but much smaller than the ones alleged and not prohibited.

He said Powell's speech Wednesday was for ordinary Americans to gear them up for a war.

"The purpose of the show that went on at the Security council was mainly for home consumption for the uninformed," he said.

"This is the message that was being told to the world and to the American public opinion," said al-Saadi.

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Dang!  I wonder where THIS guy learned to rebutt the USA position??????

 

He sounds almost like a certain ***bay or Restless on THIS thread.....

[Wrigley]

where the law turns a blind eye--such as in frontier America in the 1830s

Don't forget about that wagon train that was massacred at Mountain Meadows. Ah, Mormon hypocrisy. Less filling.

[restornu]

Your abusive word is gone:)