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To: OHelix
"Not to mention the concept of Christian Sabbath."

You an SDA or an offshoot thereof, Helix? If so, that may explain some things.

As far as the RCC goes, the Vatican is only on one of Rome's hills, and it isn't one of the traditional seven, if I recall correctly.
60 posted on 02/03/2003 1:14:05 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: Angelus Errare
No, I am not a SDA or any offshoot, thereof. I grew up in Baptist churches. But most of my life I attended a very conservative Presbyterion church. I just realized as a young man, that much of what I was taught that the Bible said, when I read it myself, did not seem to say what I had been told. I found those who I respected to be willing to distort the scripture in order to make it justify their tradition. I see it everywhere, not just RCC, EO... Everywhere. And from many who I know truly desire to obey the word, but they still will try to conform the scripture to their beliefs, rather than their beliefs to scripture. I've recognised it in myself. And I've read it prophesied in scripture.

As per the ROME issue, here's the post I pasted it from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/831773/posts

I avoided that topic then, and I don't really want to get into it now. I only brought it up to answer the question as to why RCC gets more abuse in this regard than other EO churches. I think that that doctrine is why.
66 posted on 02/03/2003 1:31:47 PM PST by OHelix
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To: Angelus Errare; OHelix
The Vatican was historically never part of the city of Rome - it is across the Tiber river from the city. It was incorporated into the city of Rome in 1584 by Pope Sixtus V.

The seven hills are: Palatine, Capitoline, Esquiline, Aventine, Viminal, Quirinal, and Celian.

The Vatican is not a hill at all - in Roman times it was known as the Campus Vaticanus, which means the Vatican plain - a marshy uninhabited area in Biblical times.

The slight elevation of the Vatican is due to the earthworks which went into fortifying it and reclaiming it from the marshland as Romans moved to the suburbs during the Empire.

The Papacy has only officially resided at the Vatican for 400 years. It has had an itinerant history. From the 400s to the 1400s the Popes resided at the Lateran, which was also located outside Rome proper - sometimes relocating to Milan and even Orvieto, hundreds of miles from Rome. Then the Popes lived at Avignon in France for almost a century.

The Popes then returned to the Lateran and only took up residence at the Vatican after the restoration of St. Peter's.

73 posted on 02/03/2003 1:43:43 PM PST by wideawake
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