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My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism
Envoy Magazine ^ | Pete Vere, JCL/M (Canon Law)

Posted on 01/20/2003 6:03:26 AM PST by NYer

The article is far too long to post. Click here: Who Was Archbishop Lefebvre?

If you’re a Catholic who’s faithful to the Church’s teaching Magisterium, you’ve probably met up with followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s 1988 schism, known as the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). They’re filled with devotion to the Blessed Mother, extremely conservative with regard to most moral issues afflicting the Western world today, and quite reverent before the Blessed Sacrament during their old Latin liturgies. In short, on the surface, adherents to Archbishop Lefebvre’s schism appear to be devout Catholics

It’s easy to sympathize with these folks since most of them have joined the SSPX after being scandalized by contemporary abuses in doctrine and liturgy in some of our Catholic churches in North America. In fact, it was precisely because of such sympathies, as well as the beauty of the Tridentine Mass, that I found myself frequenting SSPX chapels about eight years ago. Like most SSPX adherents, at the time I thought that my separation from Rome was merely temporary.

I failed to realize, however, that at the root of every schism, as the present Code of Canon Law explains, “is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him” (Can. 751). Such ruptures from communion with the Church, the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out, “wound the unity of Christ’s Body” (CCC 817). For that reason, at the heart of my journey back to full communion with Rome lay many questions about the unity of the Church as an institution founded by Christ.

The Novus Ordo Missae: Intrinsically Evil?
A common argument now put forward by the SSPX is that the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI is intrinsically evil, or at the least poses a proximate danger to the Catholic faith. This would mean that the post-Vatican II liturgy is in and of itself contrary to the law of God. How individual Lefebvrites approach this issue will often vary, but they typically insist that the new Mass contains heresy, blasphemy or ambiguity. In resolving this question, I came to the personal conclusion that Christ has a sense of humor, since the same text from Catholic Tradition the SSPX quotes in defense of this claim is the very text that refutes it.

A preliminary observation is in order. The Mass has not changed since Christ instituted this sacrament on the night before His crucifixion. In essence, there is neither an “old” Mass nor a “new” Mass, but only the Mass. In fact what changed after the Second Vatican Council was not the Mass, but the liturgy.

This means that while the “accidents” (to use a classical theological term) differ somewhat between the pre-Vatican II liturgy and the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI, their essence remains the same: the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ transubstantiated into the Eucharist. This central mystery of the Mass takes place regardless of whether the priest celebrates according to the liturgical books in use before the Second Vatican Council or according to the liturgical books revised by Pope Paul VI. In fact, both sets of liturgical books are usages of the same Roman liturgical rite.

When I was associated with the SSPX, to defend the claim that the reformed liturgy is intrinsically evil I used to quote the seventh canon on the Sacrifice of the Mass from the Council of Trent. This canon states: “If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of Masses are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema.”

Let’s look at this more closely. Since the definition of intrinsic evil is “something which in and of itself is evil,” we see from the Council of Trent that an approved liturgy of the Church cannot be such. For something that is intrinsically evil is naturally an incentive to impiety, while the Council of Trent declares dogmatically that the approved liturgical ceremonies of the Catholic Church cannot be incentives to impiety.

But wait a second: Wasn’t the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI an approved liturgy of the Church? Of course! So according to the Tradition of the Church as dogmatically defined at the Ecumenical Council of Trent, I could only conclude that the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI cannot be an incentive to impiety. It necessarily follows, then, that neither could it be intrinsically evil. Thus in my defense of the schismatic position I stood refuted by the very Catholic Tradition from the Council of Trent that I was seeking to preserve through adherence to the SSPX schism.


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To: NYer
Look, we can sling quotes till the cows come home. Your argument rests on the belief the Pope had a right to command what he did. Mine rests on the belief he had no such right, that even a pope may not command the destruction of Catholic Tradition. That is the bottom line. Nothing you post can change it.
141 posted on 01/21/2003 12:25:09 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Maximilian
ROFL.
142 posted on 01/21/2003 12:29:47 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: Catholicguy
Once again, you are wrong. We are not Protestants. We believe exactly what Catholics have always believed for two thousand years. We practice what Catholics have always practiced. We fully accept the authority of the pope when it is legitimately exercised. We recognize, however, there are times to draw the line, especially in times of crisis. Popes are men and potentially culpable. It is not Catholic to believe that all their deeds, however unwise and harmful to the Church, are nevertheless infallible and blessed.
143 posted on 01/21/2003 12:32:55 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Maximilian
Hmm. I thought you were kidding:-0
144 posted on 01/21/2003 12:33:56 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: Pyro7480
I'm with you. ultima ratio is over the top.
145 posted on 01/21/2003 12:42:56 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: ultima ratio
Ratzinger wrote the preface

Ratzinger didn't join the SSPX.

146 posted on 01/21/2003 12:52:28 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: ultima ratio; tiki
I think it's raising up the Legion of Christ and Opus Dei more than SSPX...
147 posted on 01/21/2003 12:53:52 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: Catholicguy
ROFLMAO
148 posted on 01/21/2003 1:02:00 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: ultima ratio
The charge of "schismatic"

Is it really just a charge?

149 posted on 01/21/2003 1:08:13 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: WriteOn
"Ratzinger didn't join the SSPX."

No, but he knows something's very wrong. And he was the one who reversed the Honolulu bishop's excommunication of six Catholics who supported SSPX and attended the Society's Masses. He informed the bishop the six were not guilty of a schismatic act.
150 posted on 01/21/2003 1:09:34 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
No, but he knows something's very wrong. And he was the one who reversed the Honolulu bishop's excommunication of six Catholics who supported SSPX and attended the Society's Masses. He informed the bishop the six were not guilty of a schismatic act.

I suspect there is more to that story than the implied condoning of the schism, no?

151 posted on 01/21/2003 1:13:27 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: WriteOn
In a world where popes pray with animists and apostates are rewarded with red hats, do you really expect me to get excited about what Rome thinks about anything anymore? These are the churchmen who thought it was a keen idea to let witchdoctors slit the throats of chickens as an offering to their gods inside a sacred Catholic monastery. They think it's just fine to announce that Jews don't need Christ as their Savior. They kiss Korans. Why should I care what Rome thinks about anything at this point? Wake me when the revolution's over.
152 posted on 01/21/2003 1:20:03 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: WriteOn
"I suspect there is more to that story than the implied condoning of the schism, no?"

No.

And it doesn't condone schism. It says there was none.
153 posted on 01/21/2003 1:23:24 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Fair enough. I've noticed that your posts have changed a little since I first started reading them. It seems that you are much more convinced about SSPX than you used to be. My Dad used to call this "painting yourself into a corner." Just remember, if you change your mind, which can happen, that you can drop the screen name and start again.

The baptism is still valid, right?:-)

154 posted on 01/21/2003 1:36:44 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: ultima ratio
I think you should have checked your facts better:

PONTIFICIA COMMISSIO ECCLESIA DEI
N. 117/95
Rome, 29 September 1995
Mr. Scott M. Windsor, Sr.
P. O. Box 11502
Prescott, Arizona 86304-1502
U.S.A.

Dear Mr. Windsor,

Thank you for your letter of 4 September 1995 addressed to His Eminence Cardinal Ratzinger. It has been transmitted to this Pontifical Commission as dealing with matters related to our particular competence.

We are aware of the lack of authorized celebrations of the Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal in the Diocese of Phoenix and we can appreciate your desire to assist at the traditional Mass. We also recognize your earnest desire to remain in full communion with the Successor of Peter and the members of the Church subject to him, a desire which obviously prompted you to write this letter. In order to answer your questions we must explain the Church's present evaluation of the situation of the Society of St. Pius X.

There is no doubt about the validity of the ordination of the priests of the Society of St. Pius X. They are, however, suspended "a divinis" , that is prohibited by the Church from exercising their orders because of their illicit ordination.

The Masses they celebrate are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2 ). The fact of not being able to assist at the celebration of the so-called "Tridentine" Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending such Masses.

While it is true that the participation in the Mass and sacraments at the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X does not of itself constitute "formal adherence to the schism", such adherence can come about over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a mentality which separates itself from the magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff. Father Peter R. Scott, District Superior of the Society in the United States, has publicly stated that he deplores the "liberalism" of "those who refuse to condemn the New Mass as absolutely offensive to God, or the religious liberty and ecumenism of the postconcilliar church." With such an attitude the society of St. Pius X is effectively tending to establish its own canons of orthodoxy and hence to separate itself from the magisterium of the Supreme Pontiff. According to canon 751 such "refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or the communion of the members of the Church subject to him" constitute schism. Hence we cannot encourage your participation in the Masses, the sacraments or other services conducted under the aegis of the Society of St. Pius X.

The situation of at least one of the "independent" priests in the Diocese of Phoenix to whom you allude is somewhat different. He and the community which he serves have declared their desire to regularize their situation and have taken some initial steps to do so. Let us pray that this may soon be accomplished.

Finally, we may say that "the Hawaiian case" resulted in a judgment that the former Bishop of Honolulu did not have grounds to excommunicate the persons involved, but this judgment does not confer the Church's approbation upon the Society of St. Pius X or those who frequent their chapels.

With prayerful best wishes, I remain
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Msgr. Camille Perl
Secretary

155 posted on 01/21/2003 1:39:39 PM PST by WriteOn
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To: ultima ratio; Catholicguy
We fully accept the authority of the pope when it is legitimately exercised.

Here's another example of a bishop following his conscience.

"In a rare disciplinary move, Pope John Paul II has stripped a German bishop of some of his authority, after the bishop refused to follow a direct order from Rome to stop abortion counseling in his diocese.

The Pope's action, announced on March 8, came after Bishop Kamphaus-- alone among the 28 diocesan bishops of Germany-- refused to comply with a Vatican policy that had been set in 1999. The policy called for an end to the issuance of certificates that could be used to fulfill the legal requirements for obtaining an abortion.

Under a German law that went into effect in 1995, women who wish to procure abortions must produce a certificate showing that they have received counseling on their options. Among the counseling centers authorized to issue such certificates, many were affiliated with the Catholic Church. Some prelates, following the lead of the late Archbishop Johannes Dyba of Fulda, immediately recognized the moral hazards involved, and insisted that Church-related agencies must not issue the certificates. Others reasoned that if they continued to offer counseling for pregnant women, they might dissuade some of them from having abortions.

Eventually the German bishops asked Pope John Paul to settle that deabte, and-- after months of inconclusive haggling-- in 1999 he issued his clear judgment: the Church-sponsored agencies must cease to issue these certificates. After a lengthy "transition period" that lasted through the end of the 2000 calendar year, the German bishops complied, with one notable exception.

In the Limburg diocese, which includes the city of Frankfurt, Bishop Franz Kamphaus refused to follow the directive from Rome. In February, the Frankfurter Allegemeine Zeitung reported that Bishop Kamphaus received a personal letter from Pope John Paul, hand-delivered by the papal nuncio in Germany, Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, informing him that he must follow the new policy or relinquish his responsibilities. Still the bishop held firm; the German media reported that he might be willing to resign rather than implement the Vatican policy."

Bishop Kamphaus, like Lefebvre, supports dissent via a false freedom of conscience: "Conscience can oblige the individual to acts that are in contradiction of Church teachings .... It is the responsibility of the individual alone."

156 posted on 01/21/2003 1:54:49 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer
Don't make me laugh. Abortion has never been any part of Catholicism. Archbishop Lefebvre argued on behalf of Catholic Tradition and the Mass of the Ages, not for himself. The two cases are not alike. The Pope has every right to oppose abortion; he has no right whatsoever to oppose Tradition. In fact, he took a solemn oath not to.

Your position is that the Pope is always right, no matter what he opposes, even when he opposes the Catholic faith itself. That is just not true, it's never been true and Catholics have been warned in the past by doctors of the Church that we do not owe obedience to even the pope if he commands what is clearly harmful to the Church. JnPII issued such a command and it was the duty of Lefebvre to disobey.
157 posted on 01/21/2003 2:49:09 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: WriteOn
"I've noticed that your posts have changed a little since I first started reading them. It seems that you are much more convinced about SSPX than you used to be."

Nope. Go back and check. I never wavered from day one. I fought Patent and "Catholic"guy and Sitetest, et al., tooth and nail from the first day I registered. I know who I am and what I believe because I've studied the issue for years. Do you think I just decided one fine day to follow SSPX on a whim? I reluctantly and very gradually came to the conclusion they were right and Rome was wrong. My wife came to the same conclusion. And we judge also by the fruits--the effects on my kids who have benefited immensely from the clarity of traditional Catholic teachings. This conviction has been reenforced by the calibre of men who are priests in SSPX--almost without exception men of deep faith and high intelligence. It is people like yourself who are confused and come to the argument with little understanding of the other side.
158 posted on 01/21/2003 3:00:46 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: WriteOn
I wish I had a dollar for every time this letter has been posted as supposed proof of something. By the way, to show how much Rome thinks of Tradition, it has staffed the Ecclesia Dei Prefecture in charge of the Indult with personnel who absolutely loathe traditionalists. Monsignor Perle is just such a man.
159 posted on 01/21/2003 3:26:33 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio; Catholicguy
Your position is that the Pope is always right

The Church has a specific hierarchical organization for the tasks related to doctrine, that organization being called the Magisterium. The Magisterium is headed by the Pope. Lumen Gentium section III explains the tasks of the Pope and Magisterium, summarized excerpts of which are shown below:

  1. The Church receives the Faith as delivered by Jesus Christ and handed down through the ages from the Apostles and their successors. The Church does not "create" or "establish" or "invent" the Faith or its principles.
  2. The Church teaches the Faith it has received to the current generation.
  3. The Church defends the Faith it has received against error (i.e. heresy).

#8: "... [The Catholic Church] is the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Savior, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (Jn. 21:17), commissioning him and the other apostles to extend and rule it (cf. Matt. 28:18, etc.), and which he raised up for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him. ..."

Can. 209 §1 "Christ's faithful are bound to preserve their communion with the Church at all times, even in their external actions."

Can. 209 §2 "They are to carry out with great diligence their responsibilities towards both the universal Church and the particular Church to which by law they belong."

Can. 212 §1 "Christ's faithful, conscious of their own responsibility, are bound to show Christian obedience to what the sacred Pastors, who represent Christ, declare as teachers of the faith and prescribe as rulers of the Church."

Can. 590 §2 "The individual members are bound to obey the Supreme Pontiff as their highest Superior, by reason also of their sacred bond of obedience."

Can. 601 "The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in the spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ, who was obedient even unto death, obliges submission of one's will to lawful Superiors, who act in the place of God when they give commands that are in accordance with each institute's own constitutions."

Jesus Christ personally gives us the perfect example by being totally obedient to His (and our) Eternal Father. Lumen Gentium tells us:

#3. "The Son, accordingly, came, sent by the Father who, before the foundation of the world, chose us and predestined us in him for adoptive sonship. For it is in him that it pleased the Father to restore all things (cf. Eph. 1:4-5 and 10). To carry out the will of the Father Christ inaugurated the kingdom of heaven on earth and revealed to us his mystery; by his obedience he brought about our redemption."

#36: "Christ, made obedient unto death and because of this exalted by the Father (cf. Ph. 2:8-9), has entered into the glory of his kingdom. All things are subjected to him until he subjects himself and all created things to the Father, so that God may be all in all (cf. 1 Cor. 15:27-28)."

If Jesus Christ and Mary were obedient, why should we be different? Some might claim that Jesus was a revolutionary because He "changed the laws." The reality were that the moral laws were made more strict [4], and Jesus revealed deeper the doctrine of God. The Bible says it quite clearly in Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."

The difficult and scandalous issue of clergy and religious who do not propagate the Church's authentic teachings also needs to be addressed. Very simply, the laity are not required to obey the disobedience of their local Church hierarchy. All must give assent to a "God who reveals" (Vatican II Dei Verbum #5) over that of man, even when the man is part of the Church hierarchy. Acts 5:29 emphasizes this: "But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men." We also know from the Church's teaching that the Pope alone is preserved from teaching error via the charism of infallibility (Vatican II Lumen Gentium), so we can always trust the Pope. Bishops, priests and nuns are not exempt from teaching doctrinal errors. Vatican II clearly states that we are to obey the Church hierarchy when they are in communion with the Pope, not otherwise. Long prior to Vatican II Pope Pius IX wrote in On Faith And Religion (Qui Pluribus), "Whoever resists authority resists the ordering made by God Himself, consequently achieving his own condemnation; disobeying authority is always sinful except when an order is given which is opposed to the laws of God and the Church." Based on the number of dissenting Bishops, priests and nuns, a prudent and responsible laity will obtain and study the teachings of the Church to defend their souls against the various heresies and heretical influences rampant in today's world.


160 posted on 01/21/2003 4:10:52 PM PST by NYer
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