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Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy, Pope's advisors say traditional values have weakened
BBC News ^ | 8 January, 2003 | Robert Pigott

Posted on 01/09/2003 2:25:44 PM PST by Polycarp

Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy

Pope's advisors say traditional values have weakened

Wednesday, 8 January, 2003, 18:10 GMT

By Robert Pigott BBC's religious affairs correspondent

For months it has seemed to liberal Roman Catholics that the sex abuse scandal that has affected the Church in many parts of the world, must lead to radical reforms.

There was speculation that it could include an end to compulsory celibacy for priests, and perhaps even the ordination of women.

But the signs are that the pope's advisers have come to precisely the opposite conclusions - and intend to reinforce traditional standards and discipline.

They plan to crack down especially hard on homosexuality in the Church.

'Anglo-Saxon' problem

In St Peter's Square in the Vatican, a group of children waiting to tour the towering basilica, tightly gathered around a smiling young priest.

There is no sign here of the awkwardness that some American priests have reported feeling with children since the sex abuse crisis has unfolded there during the last year.

Indeed, here in Rome, many see the scandal as what they call an "Anglo-Saxon" problem.

Gerry O'Connell, the Vatican correspondent of the Roman Catholic journal The Universe, says that some of the pope's chief advisers have analysed the American cases and concluded that the problem is not paedophilia, but homosexuality.

"When they analysed these cases, they discovered that the vast majority involved not priests and little children, that's children under the age of 11 or 12, but rather priests and teenagers," Mr O'Connell says.

"So it had more a homosexual dimension to it."

That conclusion is having far-reaching effects.

'Inadvisable and imprudent'

Liberal Roman Catholics have argued that the scandal was caused by too much emphasis on hierarchy and the priesthood, and that the answer is to ordain women and end compulsory celibacy.

The sex abuse scandal has served to reinforce that view.

But conservatives - and there are many surrounding Pope John Paul II - believe the crisis has been caused by a weakening of the Church's traditional values and standards, and specifically a tolerance of homosexual priests.

The Vatican correspondent of the National Catholic Reporter, John Allen, says a one-page letter from one of the Holy See's departments, the Congregation for Worship, graphically demonstrates the shift against homosexuals.

He quotes the letter: "The ordination to the priesthood of homosexual men, or men with homosexual tendencies, is absolutely inadvisable and imprudent, and from a pastoral point of view, very risky."

"To me, that's a pretty clear statement of position," Mr Allen says.

According to him similar language is likely to be used in a more substantial document expected from the Vatican department in charge of education in the next few months.

"There seems to be a clear thrust here towards making it more difficult, if not impossible for a homosexual to get into a seminary and ultimately to be ordained as a Catholic priest," Mr Allen says.

Crisis in morale

Another important clue is contained in the words "homosexual tendencies".

The Church has always said that active homosexuality is a sin. But not necessarily homosexual tendencies.

Ending that distinction would represent a significant crackdown on gay men in the priesthood. Resignation of Cardinal Law raised liberal hopes

At Beda College, a seminary for mature men in the St Paul's area just outside Rome's old city walls numbers of students are falling.

The college's rector, Monsignor Roderick Strange says that the crisis in morale caused by the sex scandal can only make the situation worse.

He thinks that whether or not a man has homosexual tendencies is irrelevant, provided he is sufficiently mature and socially well integrated.

Barring them from seminaries would be a big mistake.

"The issue of paedophilia and abuse may have homosexual aspects but it is simply not to be identified with that orientation," Monsignor Strange says.

"If it were the case that people were using homosexuality to say that by banning this we will solve that then we wouldn't be getting any further forward at all."

Reinforcing orthodoxy

The resignation of Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston encouraged liberal Roman Catholics to believe the pope might find some relaxation of the Church's traditional disciplines unavoidable.

But there is a tendency in Rome for America to seem far away, and to put its sex scandal in a wider context.

For Vatican conservatives the priority seems to be to reinforce Roman Catholic orthodoxy in the Church as a whole, rather than indulge liberals in its unruly provinces.


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1 posted on 01/09/2003 2:25:44 PM PST by Polycarp
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Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy, Pope's advisors say traditional values have weakened

Closing the barn doors after the horse has left?

pinging

2 posted on 01/09/2003 2:27:21 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Vatican to reinforce Catholic orthodoxy

Even more refusals of the church to obey the law that the rest of must obey.

3 posted on 01/09/2003 2:28:11 PM PST by jimkress
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To: Polycarp
Better late than never.
4 posted on 01/09/2003 2:34:06 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
'Anglo-Saxon' problem

Since when does homosexuality and a relaxation of morals have anything to do with being Anglo-Saxon?

The article doesn't mention the larger dissenting picture, either.

Liberal Roman Catholics have argued that the scandal was caused by too much emphasis on hierarchy and the priesthood, and that the answer is to ordain women and end compulsory celibacy.

But this is their answer to everything.
5 posted on 01/09/2003 2:34:43 PM PST by Desdemona (95% Celt and bred a Catholic.)
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To: Polycarp
But the signs are that the pope's advisers have come to precisely the opposite conclusions - and intend to reinforce traditional standards and discipline.

They are several decades late, but better (far better!) late than never.

6 posted on 01/09/2003 2:34:57 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Polycarp
But the signs are that the pope's advisers have come to precisely the opposite conclusions - and intend to reinforce traditional standards and discipline.

It was always clear to those with a historical understanding of the Church that the homosexual abuse scandal would lead to increasing, rather than decreasing, orthodoxy.

7 posted on 01/09/2003 2:36:06 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Polycarp
In St Peter's Square in the Vatican, a group of children waiting to tour the towering basilica, tightly gathered around a smiling young priest. There is no sign here of the awkwardness that some American priests have reported feeling with children since the sex abuse crisis has unfolded there during the last year.

'Twill take decades for American Catholic parents to feel comfortable with priests around their sons - and that, only if the Vatican dequeerizes the Church.

8 posted on 01/09/2003 2:37:39 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Desdemona
I think it is just that the dissent problem, while not exclusive to them, seems to be centered in the English-speaking countries.
9 posted on 01/09/2003 2:38:06 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Polycarp
The Church has always said that active homosexuality is a sin. But not necessarily homosexual tendencies. Ending that distinction would represent a significant crackdown on gay men in the priesthood.

The Vatican will not end this distinction. But it will recognize the truth - that it is highly imprudent to have all-male seminaries and an all-male priesthood, where men live, work, shower, and sleep together, filled with homosexual men. And it will recognize that it is highly imprudent for homosexual man to be given access to teenage boys in close quarters.

10 posted on 01/09/2003 2:41:17 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Desdemona
Since when does homosexuality and a relaxation of morals have anything to do with being Anglo-Saxon? Don't you remember the French prime minister (woman) who had to resign because she said that homosexuality was an Anglo-Saxon disease? And she was a socailost, the ex-girl friend of Mitterand. Mike Wallace was outraged.
11 posted on 01/09/2003 2:41:18 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
For Vatican conservatives the priority seems to be to reinforce Roman Catholic orthodoxy in the Church as a whole, rather than indulge liberals in its unruly provinces.

Exactly as it should be.

12 posted on 01/09/2003 2:42:29 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Polycarp
Although I'm skeptical that there will be a real crackdown, I'll gladly welcome the news if its true.
13 posted on 01/09/2003 2:43:42 PM PST by FBDinNJ
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To: RobbyS
Don't you remember the French prime minister (woman) who had to resign because she said that homosexuality was an Anglo-Saxon disease?

No. But I will tell you that I knew a number of guys in Italy who were questionable.
14 posted on 01/09/2003 2:45:41 PM PST by Desdemona (95% Celt and bred a Catholic.)
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To: Polycarp
Monsignor Roderick Strange says that the crisis in morale caused by the sex scandal can only make the situation worse.

"Strange" has both meanings in this case.

Should you wish to review Fr. Strange's book on the Catholic Faith (yes, there is one) you will see quite quickly why he is also defending Ordination of homosexuals.

Not by co-incidence, Fr. Strange was/is a good friend of Rembert Weakland and a parish pastor here in the Milwaukee area.

But--it's a good quote, eh wot??

15 posted on 01/09/2003 2:54:46 PM PST by ninenot
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To: B Knotts
dissent problem, while not exclusive to them, seems to be centered in the English-speaking countries.

While I agree with you, partially, I think a better precursor is "Wealthy" countries. France is not exactly a monument to orthodoxy, either...

16 posted on 01/09/2003 2:57:17 PM PST by ninenot
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To: Desdemona
The charge against the English is long standing. In part it does back to views of the English boarding schools.
17 posted on 01/09/2003 3:11:39 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: ninenot
They are everywhere, they are everywhere.
18 posted on 01/09/2003 3:13:16 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
This was such a biased article. This isn't a "liberal" vs. "conservative" issue, and the sex-scandals have nothing to do with celibacy in the priesthood or ordaining women as priests. While would anyone, particularly liberals, think that allowing priests to marry would end homosexuality in the priesthood? Or ordaining women as priests? It's a non sequitor, but of course the press just repeat it like it's conventional wisdom.

Still, thanks for posting the information. I am pleased to see that the Vatican is working to fix the problems in the church by looking to the foundations of the church as the solutions. It isn't our orthodoxy that has gotten us into these problems, it was the liberal and secular influence in the church.

I hope and pray the American Bishops take any message from Rome to heart.

God bless.
19 posted on 01/09/2003 3:28:11 PM PST by Gophack
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To: FBDinNJ
Although I'm skeptical that there will be a real crackdown, I'll gladly welcome the news if its true. We, the laity, the faithful, joining the orthodox priests and religious in the country, need to pray for and encourage our bishops to heed the Vatican's call for traditional Catholic teachings. We can't sit idly by and expect anything to happen or not happen without our active participation.
20 posted on 01/09/2003 3:30:16 PM PST by Gophack
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