I Have Weathered Other Storms: A Response to the Scandals and...Reforms...the Catholic Church

Just came across this book review. Has anyone read it?

** “It is an arsenal of Church doctrines and teachings and a veritable broadside against those who would use this crisis to promote reforms that contradicts Church teaching.”**

Sounds like a good one.

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I Have Weathered Other Storms: A Response to the Scandals and Democratic Reforms that Threaten the Catholic Church

Haven't read it, but will try to find it.

There was an article in Our Sunday Visitor by Amy Welborn about the scandal yesterday. She said that 2002 was our very own Annus Horribus or Horriblus (however it was spelled). She is absolutely right. But, we'll get through it.

Of course we will, remember it is Christ's church and he won't let it die out.

remember it is Christ's church and he won't let it die out.

I happened to catch Fr. Corapi doing his weekly 1 hour segment on the Catechism (EWTN Sunday night @ 8pm). Last night's topic was Baptism and Confirmation. He stressed that we are ALL (protestant and catholic) members of the same church, the church founded by Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Son of God and since He founded only one church, we, along with our protestant brethren are members of the same family.

<> Tradition, Family, Property is a nutball outfit. I wouldn't touch any of their stuff..TFP is spiritually radioactive.

There are HUNDREDS of reputable Christian Catholic sources for defenses of the faith. Don't give one pennny to these creeps

If one desires to purchase the book, buy it from another outfit<>

HUNDREDS of reputable Christian Catholic sources>>>>
Can you list some good websites.

Also, if TFP is bad then why won't the local and other bishops repudiate them?

Marian Horvat: The "Nice Girl" of Integrism

By A. Gerard Nordskoven

Watching a Catholic community autodestruct is wrenching. The Society for Tradition, Family & Property, or TFP, is eating Kansas City alive. It is a scenario played out all over the world. TFP is an all-male secret society promoting a "higher" calling than the priesthood, the warrior-monk. TFP is a cold-blooded vocation killer. Not one priest has arisen from their "conservative" formation of young men anywhere in its international ranks since its founding in the early sixties. None. One of TFP's slickest Screwtapes has been a woman, Marian Horvat. Horvat, president of the TFP's California offshoot, Tradition in Action, distinguished herself as one of four collaborating signatories to "We Resist You to the Face," a manifesto for Catholic schism. Before that, Horvat's duties were in the heartland, and more along the line of "We Stab You in the Back" with the quiet destruction of the faithful. She's a "nice girl", well-spoken and polite. And she gave TFP and their ideas entré into nice families. The Catholic scholars at her alma mater, K.U., saw through the Horvat family obsession with TFP and rejected their overtures to infiltrate the Integrated Humanities Program, a veritable incubator for clerics and other religious. Others have not been so discerning. Pious boys exploring their calling have hardened into caustic snobs who are taught by TFP recruiters to despise their parents as "the fountain of my revolution."

The simplest mystery of Judeo-Christianity is election. Yet it is almost unfathomable that the Most High chooses to grace souls and peoples for reasons unknown to man. The antithesis of election, indeed a tenet of Babylonian Mystery Religions (as is secrecy), is elitism. This is man exalting himself above other men. We were warned. The Lord reviled the people's desire for a king to rule over them, and told of their inevitable exploitation. Hindu elitism is writ in the squalor of a rigid caste system. The unholy marriage of elitism and Catholicity was fabricated in TFP founder Plinio's book, The Nobility and Traditional Elites. It was offered for sale after the Latin Mass approved by the KCMO Bishop. $50.00 was the penance exacted for presuming to be a noble, elite Catholic. But the young salesmen were friends of Marian, glowingly praised in the tome. And she was smart, a K.U. teaching assistant who hammered a journalism degree into a doctorate in Medieval History.

Few read the lavishly illustrated book, consigning it to the coffee table. In Nobility, the race and blood cults condemned by Piux XII are resurrected in his own words, spin doctored to fit TFP's agenda. Pius XII's flattering pleas to the nobility of Italy for funds to feed the starving during World War II are transformed into support for TFP's militant monarchists. Published two years before Plinio's death, Marian Horvat garnered high honors from the author for her assistance. That's saying a lot. Plinio Correa de Oliveira was a self-styled demigod, described reflexively in a TFP litany to his mother, Dona Lucilia, as the "Axiological Principle," or First Cause, a divinity. That's the secret side of TFP. In Plinio's book, the elite are defined as bluebloods, and as "professors" like himself and Marian. It is a predatory philosophy of NON SERVIAM, like the fictional spaceman's cookbook, "How to Serve Man." Horvat's brother adds information for the American audience. The elite of America were the Southern slaveholder in general, and genetic marvels like Robert E. Lee in specific. Here is the race and blood cult American-style.

Priests do not fit into the TFP schema. They serve. They are poor. They don't rule countries. The colorful "scroll" centerfold in Nobility proclaims "the preferential option for the nobility." John Paul II's "preferential option for the poor" is directly contradicted. That's refreshing. There can be no question whose side they are on. The schismatic heraldry of "We Resist You to the Face" was just a flourish on a split with the Servant of Servants started years before. TFP disdains the priesthood, predicting it's obsolescence. No priests, no Eucharist. Wormwood, be advised. Horvat's crocodile tears for lost vocations as inspiring "We Resist You to the Face" are hypocritical. Styling herself a latter day Joan of Arc, Horvat is a free agent serving only demigod Plinio and the Ten Kings of the Antichrist with no regard for prelates unless they are useful as camouflage for TFP, or Tradition in Action, or the America Needs Fatima cash cow. Radical materialism is the name of the game and another hallmark of Babylonian Mystery Religions. That's the philosophical basis for Communism, so it is no surprise that K.U.'s long-time campus Communist converted to Horvat's brand of Catholicism. One gets all the exploitation without any of the guilt. The poor are solicited by mail for a dollar a day, and the wealthy get quietly approached for donations of homes, large sums of money, and farms, not to mention the entrustment of children. Horvat guided the formation of young women in her home-school Sodality, and the children of "traditional" Catholics in other educational venues.

Marian Horvat is an apt pupil of TFP's techniques, and ingratiates herself to the wealthy, well-educated and powerful only. Peasants are the enemy, and perhaps too reminiscent of her blue-collar background. Catholic scholars cotton to her, and she sailed her pirate ship under their colors whenever possible. Alice Von Hildebrand was shamefully used in discussions aired on EWTN. She slipped one over on the elderly philosopher by dropping Plinio's name into the mix. EWTN got wind of it and axed the "Feminity and Feminism" series. But this virago is far from feminine. Horvat's favorite ploy for testing the mettle of protegés at the family compound was to invite them over and release their snapping, snarling German Shephards. Some left, some signed on to continue undermining the Catholic community in her stead. Horvat came razor close to imposing a TFP school on Kansas City residents under the banner of a conservative Catholic education. The monied Texas woman Horvat talked into bankrolling the venture got wind of her unseemly connections and mercifully withdrew.

Watch for this coiling snake of Babylonian cast, and beg the Blessed Virgin to have bare feet ready to crush its head. Postcards may be found in the back of church from "America Needs Fatima." One response and it is virtually impossible to be free from TFP's dunning direct mail solicitation. And the Boys from Brazil are very appealing as they march like Medieval militants in their red capes, inserting themselves at the head of pro-life rallies, or setting up bookstalls at Catholic conferences, usually without permission. They are spoiling for a fight, and it is not with the forces of evil for which they claim they need lots of cash. It is with the Magisterium, in that they are already condemned by the Brazilian bishops conference, their home country. It is with Peter, as "We Resist You to the Face" obsequiously declares. It is with God, as blithely breaking the first command to honor no false gods. That's Plinio, who did not arise from the dead as he prophesied of himself. And do watch out for nice girls in pearls ,p> .-----Opinion piece (c) A. Gerard Nordskoven, 2001. All Rights Reserved.

<> We have our part to play in keeping one another informed. Hovath and Atila Guimaeres (Remnant writers and TFP members/promoters) are both public opponents of the Pope and signed the infamous "We resist you to your face" screed<>

Also, if TFP is bad then why won't the local and other bishops repudiate them?

<>Presumably, your Local Ordinary hasn't warned you about the danger of using a bandsaw to trim your split ends....some things we just have to figure out ourselves:)<>

Can you list some good websites.

http://www.petersnet.net/

He founded only one church, we, along with our protestant brethren are members of the same family.

Interesting.

According to Fr. Corapi: "The pope is the head of one wing (the Catholic wing) of Christ's Church."

Are any Catholics who claim to "the one true Church" blaspheming God (and His true protestant/catholic Church)?

I didn't realize he was doing segments on EWTN on the Catechism. Hmmmmm.

**If one desires to purchase the book, buy it from another outfit<>**

Thanks for that information. I just happened across it (the book report) there. I wasn't planning to order it from them. I would go to the Catholic Book Store in town and order it. They already get a discount.

Also
http://www.cin.org/

Bttt

I didn't realize he was doing segments on EWTN on the Catechism. Hmmmmm.

Next weeks episode in on The Eucharist. He has such a command of language and expression. These segments run every Sunday on EWTN @ 8pm. Try to catch a few if you can. Tonight is Journey Home with Marcus Grodi .. also at 8pm.

Gee--tell us what you REALLY think about TFP..

I too, have some reservations about them--sort of vaguely recall that they are content to ignore the Church's social teachings/encyclicals...

OTOH--whatever is directly cited from Church documents (and is not mis-used in the citation) certainly cannot be bad for you.