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To: american colleen
Two points. First, the problems aren't only with the translation of the Novus Ordo. It's with the Latin original as well. The vernacular version is only slightly worse, building on an already Protestant foundation. In any case, the new Mass in Latin is nowhere to be found in the real world--except maybe on EWTN.

Second, the point Fr. Somerville was making was not to suggest SSPX deigns to recongize the Pope. It is to silence those who believe SSPXers are in "schism" because they do not recognize the Pope. This was never the case. It's refreshing to hear someone outside the movement admitting this.
10 posted on 11/29/2002 7:22:55 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
"In any case, the new Mass in Latin is nowhere to be found in the real world--except maybe on EWTN."

Our parish celebrates a New Mass in Latin on every First Saturday, in honor of Our Lady. We use the booklets that come from Ignatius Press, which are free for the asking. The booklet is called simply, "The Mass of Vatican II" and it is in the public domain, so reproductions are permitted.

14 posted on 11/29/2002 8:22:23 PM PST by redhead
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To: ultima ratio; Maximilian; american colleen
I don't think you are going to find us silenced by Fr. Somerville's magisterium either. And a member of ICEL, no less. Either you guys knuckle under to papal authority or you remain in schism. It's just that simple. As American Colleen posts, Fr. McBrien probably imagines himself Catholic but that does not make it so.

Your recognition of the pope [We'd know that guy anywhere! We recognize him! He's that Polish guy who claims to be pope, right?] is on a par with my making a promise to an errant child to remember the child in my will and then having the only remembrance be a paragraph to the effect: to my rebellious and unrepentant child whom I promised to remember in my will, Hi kid! Don't expect Fr. Somerville's "admission" to become an epidemic.

The "movement" huh?

The new Mass in Latin has been said often at St. Mary's Church in New Haven, CT, founding location of the Knights of Columbus, at Opus Dei houses and a lot more places as well. Where do you get the notion that it is never said?

SSPX is such a tiresome schism!

15 posted on 11/29/2002 8:49:32 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: ultima ratio
In any case, the new Mass in Latin is nowhere to be found in the real world--except maybe on EWTN.

Actually it's quite common.

21 posted on 11/30/2002 12:30:42 AM PST by nickcarraway
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