The Neo-Catechumenal Way Gathers No Moss

Catholic Family News ^ | October, 2002 | Mark Alessio

[ultima ratio]

More heresies approved by Rome. This should quiet those who think the New Church is not out to protestantize Catholicism.

[Land of the Irish]

The Neo-Catechumenal Way has spread to more than 105 nations. It includes 1,500 communities in 800 dioceses and 5,000 parishes. It has opened some 40 diocesan seminaries.

"The Way" appears to have less restrictions on it than those wishing to have an Indult or FSSP Mass. What a shame.

[Catholicguy]

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/laity/documents/rc_pc_laity_doc_20020701_cammino-neocatecumenale_en.html

<> So much for Rome approving heresies. The venom of the Schismatic vipers has so poisoned your intellect that you don't even bestir yourself to hear Rome at all. Schismatics are Protestants who go to Mass<>

[Desdemona]

I read this earlier and, yes, there are many things about it which are very disturbing. The Carmen lady needs...it involves a dirty sock and duct tape. I try not to be too violent.

Believe it or not, there are many people in the church who don't like the touchy-feely and avoid it. Just as much as those who do like it flock to it. The hand-holding, unless it's a spouse, it just too creepy.

So, it's not all lost. Many younger people don't like the public displays. It smacks too much of fakeness.

All hope is not lost yet.

[ultima ratio]

Oh, come off it. Rome has given its seal of approval on a heretical outfit. Not surprising. It should have said, your theology is not Catholic. In fact, they are cockeyed. The answer should have been a resounding NO!--if they were really serious about orthodoxy. But it seems anything goes these days except traditionalism.

[ultima ratio]

they are cockeyed=it is cockeyed.

[Loyalist]

F. John Loughnan's account of the heresies of the Neo-Catechumenal Way

[Land of the Irish]

After reading your link, it’s obvious that the Neo-Way movement is, as Ultima stated, cockeyed. It is heretical. It is Protestant; it protests Catholic faith and tradition.

Like the Novus way, I will avoid the Neo-way at all expense. I’ll stick with the Old Way, the Tridentine Mass, whether it’s a valid and licit Mass or a valid and illicit Mass. If it was good enough for Roman Catholics for 1500 years, it’s good enough for me. What’s with all the new, novus and neo movements, anyway? Prior to VCII, the only “new” thing in the Catholic Church was the New Testament, and that begins with the birth of Christ. Faith and Tradition have been tossed by the wayside.

[sockmonkey]

I was greatly disturbed to see that recently the NCW has spread to the US...as if we don't have enough freakazoid things in the RC Church in the US, already.

Several years ago, my daughter attended RC Mass in England, followed by a NCW "get-together". She called me and wanted to know if this was approved by Rome because she just couldn't believe that what they were teaching was approved by Rome..I think she called them Freakazoids from H*** at the time.

Because she found the information they were promulgating to be so disturbing, I looked them up. At the time-1998- the approval was limited to only a few places, but like all aberrant novelties, well, guess it's everywhere now, and I can't for the life of me figure out why Rome approves all this weirdo stuff, unless what they purport to teach, and what they actually teach are two totally different things. If that's the Case, I fault Rome for not checking these movements out more closely.

I also find it sad that Weirdos, Inc can get approvals, but that a Priest must have an indult to celebrate the Tridentine Mass.

[ultima ratio]

Rome is to be faulted not because it didn't check out this movement, but because it did. We have to recognize the fact that it is interested in precisely that kind of revolution--it wants to erase the pre-conciliar Church and start over. The Pope gave the red hat to a known apostate recently. What does that tell you?

[Dajjal]

Front-to-front-to-front, my baby, back-to-back-to-back, my baby bump.

[ultima ratio]

The Vatican agenda becomes clearer and clearer as time goes on. For the most part it has been subtle--but this latest approval of the NCW is not. Neither is Rome's silence on the Bishops' Statement on the Jews or its own statement undermining the Jewish need for redemption. Neither is its agreement with the Lutherans on Justification. Neither is its participation in worship services with heathens or prayerful visits to mosques or synagogues. Neither is giving the red hat to someone who has publicly questioned the historicity of the Resurrection and the Divinity of Christ. The assautlts have been doctrinal--as the new Mass itself makes clear when it daily subverts Catholic teachings and violates the Council of Trent.

[Catholicguy]

<> I guess it must just be me. When I read what the P.C.L. published, I thought it a very positive sign in that legitimate authority would seize upon the good in a burgeoning movement and direct it towards its proper end.

If only I had your wisdom...then I could see the entire purpose of the Pope is to destroy Catholicism and he will use any means necessary....<>

[ultima ratio]

You write, "All hope is not lost yet."

No, but Catholics should realize we are fighting a war: between traditional Catholicism and this new religion; between the pre-conciliar Church and this New Church. One or the other is right. If you opt for the latter--then you argue that we've been wrong up to Vatican II. In so saying, you undermine the credibility of EVERYTHING.

[ultima ratio]

It is not Rome's job to seize on the good while ignoring what is harmful to the faith. One doesn't protect the deposit of faith by affirming heresies.

[St.Chuck]

Rome has given its seal of approval on a heretical outfit.

Impossible. Rome defines orthodoxy.Not you.

But it seems anything goes these days except traditionalism.

Lie. You are perfectly aware of the fact that Rome does not oppose traditionalism. It opposes a renegade clergy and a decidely antipapal paradigm that "clergy" fosters. All of Catholic history has been about the primacy of Rome. If you are not with Rome you are against Rome, and are on the wrong side of history.

[ultima ratio]

1. I do not define orthodoxy. Such a statement is absurd. When a group states that the Church has been wrong for 1500 years until Vatican II--which is tantamount to stating the Church has been abandoned by the Holy Spirit since the time of Constantine--it condemns itself. When it denies the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Eucharist or the Real Presence, then it is clearly heretical.

2. The Pope is the servant of orthodoxy, not its master. He may clarify what it is, but he may not contradict any of its tenets. Vatican I made this clear: "For the Holy Spirit was not promised to the Successors of Peter that by His revelation they might disclose new doctrine, but that by His help they might guard the revelation transmitted through the apostles and the deposit of faith." It is up to the Pope to protect what has been handed-down to him, not to undermine it by supporting groups preaching heresy.

3. I do not lie when I state this papacy has acted in ways that oppose Catholic tradition. To say this is to belabor the obvious. Rome in recent years has made breathtaking innovations in every area of Catholic life. It never hesitated, for example, to break new ground in a radical ecumenicism no previous pope had ever promulgated. In fact there has been no aspect of traditional Catholicism that has not been radically undermined by this revolutionary papacy. Your saying I lie when I merely point this out doesn't make what I say less true. This pope is no friend to Catholic tradition. On the contrary, he subverts it.