[ultima ratio]

More heresies approved by Rome. This should quiet those who think the New Church is not out to protestantize Catholicism.

[Land of the Irish]

The Neo-Catechumenal Way has spread to more than 105 nations. It includes 1,500 communities in 800 dioceses and 5,000 parishes. It has opened some 40 diocesan seminaries.

"The Way" appears to have less restrictions on it than those wishing to have an Indult or FSSP Mass. What a shame.

[Catholicguy]

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/laity/documents/rc_pc_laity_doc_20020701_cammino-neocatecumenale_en.html

<> So much for Rome approving heresies. The venom of the Schismatic vipers has so poisoned your intellect that you don't even bestir yourself to hear Rome at all. Schismatics are Protestants who go to Mass<>

[sockmonkey]

I was greatly disturbed to see that recently the NCW has spread to the US...as if we don't have enough freakazoid things in the RC Church in the US, already.

Several years ago, my daughter attended RC Mass in England, followed by a NCW "get-together". She called me and wanted to know if this was approved by Rome because she just couldn't believe that what they were teaching was approved by Rome..I think she called them Freakazoids from H*** at the time.

Because she found the information they were promulgating to be so disturbing, I looked them up. At the time-1998- the approval was limited to only a few places, but like all aberrant novelties, well, guess it's everywhere now, and I can't for the life of me figure out why Rome approves all this weirdo stuff, unless what they purport to teach, and what they actually teach are two totally different things. If that's the Case, I fault Rome for not checking these movements out more closely.

I also find it sad that Weirdos, Inc can get approvals, but that a Priest must have an indult to celebrate the Tridentine Mass.

[Dajjal]

Front-to-front-to-front, my baby, back-to-back-to-back, my baby bump.

[Catholicguy]

"There are three ex cathedra pronouncements that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. The most explicit and forceful of the three is from Pope Eugene IV at the Council of Florence which declares infallibly: " . . . None of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels,' (Mt. 25: 41) unless before death they are joined with Her; . . .no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church," Bull, Cantate Domino, Eugene IV, Feb. 4, 1442, Council of Florence. 10. Quoted from The Apostolic Digest, (Our Lady of Victory Publications, San Marino, CA) p.25. 11. Mediator Dei, Par. 44. 12. Sapienta Christianae, Pope Leo XIII, 1890, par. 16. (Emphasis added.)"

<> This is an example of the schismtic erring in private (protestant) interpretation. Mr. McElhinney (former sspx'er) helps correct this common error re EENS<>

Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus - A Brief Synopsis: To understand the gist of the response I will be blogging next, I will put up part of an email I wrote which outlined this subject.

My position in a nutshell is this:

1) All salvation comes through Christ.

2) The Church is the sacrament of salvation through which all graces flow.

3) Outside the Church there is no salvation.

4) The Church as the Mystical Body of Christ has both visible and invisible components. Members properly so-called are incorporated by baptism and maintain their membership in the Mystical Body by both profession of faith and submission to the Church's authority. Any one of these elements lacking and the person cannot be accounted as a member of the Church and has no part of the ecclesiastical body.

5) The fullness of truth subsists in the Catholic, Apostolic, and Roman Church (cf. Lumen Gentium §8) which is "the axis of convergence" around which all truth is found (cf. Pope Paul VI).

6) Subsistance in Scholastic terminology is a unique quality which denotes existence in itself. Thus God subsists and we merely exist. Existence involves dependance whereas subsistance does not. This is the relationship of all other churches, ecclesial communities, and faiths to the Catholic Church.

7) Any and all Churches, ecclesial communities, or other belief systems to the extent that they proclaim truth proclaim a portion of what the Church possesses and professes.

8) Thus any salvific efficacy from the elements they possess are derived from the Church and without such elements, salvation is impossible.

9) These elements deriving as they do from Christ thus "lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ" (cf. Unitatis redintegratio §3).

10) Those who for reasons beyond their control do not understand the necessity of unity of the ecclesiastical body can through desire to fulfill the will of the Creator and the practice of charity be joined to the Soul of the Church which is the animating element of life of the Mystical Body. (Much as the human soul is the animating element of life for the human body.) In this manner they may achieve eternal salvation.

That in essence outlines my position in brief. It allows for the possibility of salvation for many people not formally within the Church's ecclesiastical body. I am inclined to think that more people are saved then damned if only for the fact that salvation is by grace alone, God is infinitely loving, and I cannot see how the Kingdom of Heaven having less people than the Kingdom of Satan would not give the Evil One cause to boast.

:: I. Shawn McElhinney 2:12 PM [+] ::

[narses]

From the debates two years ago.