[pgyanke]

Did you even read my post? You simply cut and pasted your previous comment.

I agree we are saved by grace and that is God's gift. It can not be earned by our own effort.

I agree that works done with the intent of earning God's grace are empty and are contrary to grace.

Where you and I depart is that there is a place for works in our spiritual lives. Those who disagree discount a significant part of the New Testament in the book of James. Yes, Romans states very clearly what we agreed on above. However, there is more.

As a Christian, we should want to work for God's purpose and seek to do His will. Faith without works is empty. Also, works discipline the flesh so it can't distract the spirit. Jesus encouraged works in numerous ways including "what you do for the least of my people, you do unto me." This implies action. Also, "This is how you are to pray..." gives direction for another action. These two are but two immediate examples.

Do our actions and works affect God? No. They affect us. They discipline the flesh to the will of God so that it will not distract the spirit in its walk.

You and I agree on much, but simply cutting and pasting your post over again doesn't constitute a discussion.

[f.Christian]

The matter---distinction is not trivial!

[Republic]

Faith without works is empty

I agree on this-and accept that Grace is evidence of the kindness of God at the same time. Doing works to score points doesn't get it....doing good works to express faith and a love for God, does. Motive is everything.