[Coleus]

Thanks...There are two sides to every story; however, that article contains a lot of conjecture without any proof to back up most of their statements.

There is tangible evidence that the man made a false accusation against the Cardinal--his own words recorded in depositions, that's a fact that can be checked out and be documented.

I can say that Catholic Guy received an award from the masons and put in on a weblink too.

Zero tolerance doesn't work in the schools and it won't work in the church.

[saradippity]

I agree with you about zero tolerance,it was just a silly attempt to showboat and please the media.

But,Bernardin is another story.Despite the fact that one of my very favorite priests,Father Niehaus defends him,I can connect Bernardin with just about every homosexual appeasing bishop in this country.

He headed up the bishops'Conferences during the years that they lied to the Vatican,stonewalled all Catholic pleas for teaching Truth and stopping liturgical abuse,wrecking churches,and destroying tradition. He was a schmoozer and duplicitous.He steamrolled over the orthodox bishops and supported every piece of nonCatholic catholicism introduced.

I have personally attended seminars and classes where bishops praised him to the heavens,Gumbleton was one I particularly remember and all of the Call To Action people were there remembering "our brother Joseph".If I hadn't already suspected his involvement with things unCatholic that particular evening would have convinced me without any other knowledge.I know I cannot convince you,and I would not even want to but be cautious when you use him to exemplify the the possibility of the innocence of some accused priests.We who believe that truth telling is imperative have a much more difficult time when we find information we have used is incorrect than do those,who believe that truth is just one more thing subject to opinion and change according to the way the wind blows.

[Salvation]

Remeber that their meeting tomorrow will deal with this issue. So you are right.......what we have now is conjecture.

[Catholicguy]

There is tangible evidence that the man made a false accusation against the Cardinal--his own words recorded in depositions, that's a fact that can be checked out and be documented.

<> Do you have access to the deposition? I heard it reported as I mentioned - that the gentleman did not say his accusations were lies, rather, he said his memory had been so damaged by his AIDS that he wasn't able to be certain the charges were true.

The other things mentioned in the piece about Card Bernardin are very disturbing. I gues one can just blow them all off and say they are unproven....no pattern heree...just move along.....nothing to see.

I will just speak for myself. I have always opposed the Masons. I do not plan to schedule a homosexual glee club to sing at my funeral. I don not think "listening sessions" with proabortionists are helpful. I do not think encouraging homosexuals to become priests and Bishops is helpful...Call me crazy....<>