[ultima ratio]

Effrontery? The effrontery is on the part of a hierarchy that scorns the Church Christ founded. Slavish minions like yourself participate in their unprecedented arrogance, by helping to tear down the edifice. Your argument concerning the Holy Spirit's election of the Pope is a case it point. Were you not blinded by your own smugness, you might have remembered Judas was chosen by Christ as well, showing divine election is no guarantee of anything. As for entering a seminary--I am a married man with kids at this point. Nor would I join this New Religion in any capacity whatsoever if given a chance. It's not only corrupt, but I am convinced it is corrupt precisely because it is no longer fully Catholic.

I'd also suggest you read a few books on how Vatican politics work before you pontificate on the subject. You should have known Cardinal Wyczinski was at loggerheads with Wojtyla's liberalism before the younger man became pontiff. They reconciled formally, but were not in accord theologically. So you've got that history wrong to begin with. Who is the lightweight here? As for the iron fist in a velvet glove--baloney. That is even more ludicrous. There is no fist. There is no glove. There is no discipline. Liberace might have done more to curb the rampant gay subculture the last twenty-four years than this pope has done.

Finally, you are more of a pompous ass than you realize. You need to rein in your arrogance and unbridled self-congratuation. Tone down your bombast a little and you might begin to make a little more sense.

[BlackElk]

Slavish? I mostly identify as Irish. [sarcasm}

Oh, you mean like being a slave of Christ and of the Vicar of Christ on Earth??? Well, if one is going to be a slave, it makes sense to be a slave of Christ. Oh, that's right, that may not seem as obvious when you have rejected His Church for a taste factory of your own preference. If you think I am arrogant now, you should have known me when I was a teenager or a young lawyer. I've mellowed quite a bit.

I do not congratulate myself. I merely streetfight as every good elk should on behalf of Jesus Christ and His own Church. Sorry you are no longer up to being among us.

I also see that you think Jesus Christ made a mistake of some sort in choosing Judas. Didn't He tell Judas at the Last Supper to do what he had to do? My Savior does not, did not and never will make mistakes.

Cardinal Wyczinski was not fond of Fr. Wojtlywa (JPII) in his earliest priesthood but they became quite close thereafter. It is understood that Wyczinski was JPII's kingmaker at the conclave. It is also quite well understood that, after the assassination attempt by Muhammed Ali Agca, as the pope lay recovering from his grievous wounds and Wyczinski lay dying of cancer in Poland, they spent gobs of time in mutual conversations that were their last due to Wyczinski's death. Your history is as deficient as your humility and submission to the pope.

As to your status as married man with kids, the Holy Ghost is wonderful. He can do anything including making a married man like you or someone like you pope. Williamson isn't married, is he? Fellay? Don't hold your breath waiting for the election of such as you or them, however.

Oh, and Jesus Christ did not found SSPX or any other schismatic group.

AND, I didn't think you would get around to the substantive arguments.

My sedan chair and my slaves, please. Ther is nothing new here and work to be done with others.