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To: ultima ratio
And your bellyaching and effrontery and attacks on the greatest pope you will likely ever see have resulted in.......????????? Other than separating yourself from those whose traditionalism is not deficient in the way of respect for Christ's Vicar on Earth, of course.

Of course, as I understand it, you don't have to move here to Rockford to find the traditional Mass, but have one in your vicinity in communion with Rome and your bishop but, that did not satisfy your rarified standards either.

Since you are so convinced that you are right and virtually everyone else must therefore be wrong, I have a suggestion. Rule #1: The Holy Ghost secures the election of our popes for divine reasons. Rule #2: The Holy Ghost is surely not wrong. Rule #3: If the Holy Ghjost seems to be wrong, refer back to Rule #2.

Suggestion: Drop whatever you are doing and get to a seminary for older vocations. Become ordained as a priest. Let the Holy Ghost take you up through the ranks of pastor, bishop, and cardinal. Leave it in His hands to see to your election as pope. When the white smoke pours up the chimney in the Vatican and a smiling or otherwise ultima ratio emerges onto the balcony with the camerlengo who announces: I announce a great joy! We have a new pope: Ultima Ratio I or whatever name you may choose (Torquemada I, Lev Trotsky of the Cross I, Lefebvre II or whatever), then we will follow you. Until then, let's follow one of our most important traditions and follow this man from a far country who was chosen by the Holy Ghost.

If you are old enough to have lived consciously during the papacies of John XXIII and Paul VI, you know that we can co-exist with the minor peccadillos of this papacy while standing on our heads especially given the extraordinary achievements of this papacy.

AND, if JPII was good enough for Cardinal Wyczinsky (sp.?), he is good enough for me. Do you remember the beatific smile on the face of 1978's Dean of the College of Cardinals, the then-95 year-old ramrod straight movie-star handsome and most importantly ultraorthodox (looked like Tom Tryon) Carlo Cardinal Confalonieri as he presided over the funeral of Pope Paul VI suggesting as someone once said "the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we're free at last!" And so they and we were indeed free to see the election of two grand popes: John Paul I, according to Fr. Gomar DePauw (if you don't know who he is, you are not the traditionalist you claim to be) the favorite of Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani; and then John Paul II in short order thereafter as one too wilely for in-house assassination and a spiritual and intellectual powerhouse transcending even Leo XIII.

Your last paragraph is the long form of "Let George do it. I'm too lazy to do anything but whine and too little committed to meet my own responsibilities in my own family and on my own turf. "

If AmChurch parochial schools are objectionable (and most certainly are), Catholics should pull their own kids with a restrained but determined letter of explanation to pastor, principal, offending teacher and bishop, educate them at home or in cooperative arrangements woth other orthodox parents, outside the purview of diocesan bureaucrats disloyal to the magisterium and morally dangerous to kids. We don't knowingly hire physical or sexual child molestors to babysit our kids. Why would we turn our kids over to parochial schools so bad that they can be justly described as intellectual and moral child molestors? Again, it is the desire of the physically and morally lazy, to "Let George do it," and why should they have to bother about their own kids.

Things are harder than they used to be because of AmChurch and despite JPII and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Whining accomplishes nothing. DO something constructive. It beats the heck out of holding your breath until you turn blue while whining in internet land.

BTW, your understanding of how politics is played in Rome is as erroneous and lightweight as your other strategies. The "fine Roman hand" is a subtle weapon: "the iron fist in the velvet glove." It is not a policy of: "Shoot your mouth or keyboard off and carry a blunt toothpick."

Looking forward to the Holy Ghost's affirmation of your policies by guiding your election to the See of Peter which is about all that would change my mind, I remain

Very truly yours, BlackElk

164 posted on 11/13/2002 11:29:22 AM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Effrontery? The effrontery is on the part of a hierarchy that scorns the Church Christ founded. Slavish minions like yourself participate in their unprecedented arrogance, by helping to tear down the edifice. Your argument concerning the Holy Spirit's election of the Pope is a case it point. Were you not blinded by your own smugness, you might have remembered Judas was chosen by Christ as well, showing divine election is no guarantee of anything. As for entering a seminary--I am a married man with kids at this point. Nor would I join this New Religion in any capacity whatsoever if given a chance. It's not only corrupt, but I am convinced it is corrupt precisely because it is no longer fully Catholic.

I'd also suggest you read a few books on how Vatican politics work before you pontificate on the subject. You should have known Cardinal Wyczinski was at loggerheads with Wojtyla's liberalism before the younger man became pontiff. They reconciled formally, but were not in accord theologically. So you've got that history wrong to begin with. Who is the lightweight here? As for the iron fist in a velvet glove--baloney. That is even more ludicrous. There is no fist. There is no glove. There is no discipline. Liberace might have done more to curb the rampant gay subculture the last twenty-four years than this pope has done.

Finally, you are more of a pompous ass than you realize. You need to rein in your arrogance and unbridled self-congratuation. Tone down your bombast a little and you might begin to make a little more sense.
173 posted on 11/13/2002 2:36:46 PM PST by ultima ratio
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To: BlackElk; sitetest
<> I think I ought to fly up there, go to your Parish and after Mass meet you, Tom Fleming, Scott Reichart and the gang and open some nice bottles of red wine and listen to some sensible, Catholic, conservative talk

It would even be nice to have sitetest there - if we could convince him to leave his Virginian Cabernet at home :)<>

183 posted on 11/14/2002 4:43:21 AM PST by Catholicguy
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