[xzins]

Arminians believe that man is not quite dead from the fall and has enough spiritual life to desire God and choose Christ. They would believe he is not born again (regenerated ) UNTIL he is saved

Rn is mischaracterizing the free choice (Arminian) position for effect....clear contrast.

Actually we believe that man is dead from the fall. We believe not that he has enough spiritual life left to desire God, but that the Lord enlivens him to see the choice before him. In that momentarily enlivened/enlightened state he can see clearly to make a choice. (We call that prevenient grace....God's grace that comes before salvation.)

Calvinists actually also believe in prevenient grace but in a different way. The see the prevenient grace of God FULLY AND COMPLETELY saving a person BEFORE that person believes. In other words, they think that for a brief moment of time UNBELIEVERS are saved.

We believe that no man is saved until he believes.

[CCWoody]

We believe not that he has enough spiritual life left to desire God, but that the Lord enlivens him to see the choice before him. In that momentarily enlivened/enlightened state he can see clearly to make a choice

Is that kind of like being the undead? He is still dead, but the "Spook" has turned him into a Zombie or something like that wherein he fumbles around looking for a way to become alive again. Perhaps you could write to the Buffy series and see if it is good enough for an episode.

[RnMomof7]

I wrote Arminians believe that man is not quite dead from the fall and has enough spiritual life to desire God and choose Christ. They would believe he is not born again (regenerated ) UNTIL he is saved

You wroteActually we believe that man is dead from the fall. We believe not that he has enough spiritual life left to desire God, but that the Lord enlivens him to see the choice before him

I see DEAD is not Dead..So how did I misstate that? Cause you position is just plain silly...Was Lazaresus only a 'little dead"? What is a "little "dead

[malakhi]

Rn is mischaracterizing the free choice (Arminian) position for effect....clear contrast. Actually we believe that man is dead from the fall. We believe not that he has enough spiritual life left to desire God, but that the Lord enlivens him to see the choice before him. In that momentarily enlivened/enlightened state he can see clearly to make a choice. (We call that prevenient grace....God's grace that comes before salvation.)

How close is this to the Catholic position that man's nature is fallen, but that he is not absolutely depraved?