Posted on 09/16/2002 10:45:34 AM PDT by Quix
WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
Meri Burlingame
Sep 16, 2002
Chris Strom
From: "Chris Strom" Date sent: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:48:45 +1200
"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES"
- by C. Strom. [-My father. -Andrew.]
I was woken early this morning by the "noise" of my spirit shouting silently in tongues. (Nothing can shout as loud as when silently praying in tongues!) Over this prayer was the clear message in English:
"WAR IS NOT INEVITABLE. PRAY IN TONGUES."
As I continued to pray I felt the following things:
(1) To alert as many people as possible to this message. That it wasn't just for me.
(2) That the battle is spiritual, not physical. That if we Christians win the battle spiritually, the physical battle will not be necessary (2Chron 20).
(3) That the same negative spiritual power that was behind Nebuchadnezzar is behind Saddam Hussein. First we must bind this strong man in the background before his puppet, the strong man in the foreground will equally submit and allow his goods to be spoiled.
(4) In practical terms: we must win the prayer battle before that spiritual power will allow Saddam to submit to the unqualified unrestricted viewing of all sites essential to prevent war.
(5) That tongues is essential. That we cannot possibly pray accurately enough in sufficient detail in English to accomplish this depth of intercession.
(6) To especially draw Christians' attention to 1 Thess 5:17,19:
Pray without ceasing...Quench not the Spirit.
The Holy Spirit will continue to pray in tongues through us (Acts 2:4) so long as we continue to co-operate with Him in this urgent occupation. Don't let other preoccupations quench Him, as can so easily happen.
(7) That fasting acts as an intensifier. Fasting amplifies the prayer. That any form of fasting is better than no fasting at all. Fasting from TV, or partial fasting, for instance. If you can't pray because of work but can fast, remember that "fasting is your whole body praying."
(8) Finally, that things would never have got this bad if only Christians had prayed. Far too many Christians are sidetracked on other good things and are neglecting the essential of prayer. Far too many intercessors are stuck on receiving revelation before praying when we already have the supernatural weapon par excellence of Holy Spirit gifted tongues. Pray without ceasing! Literal Greek: Pray without a pause!
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Certainly "it" is not about me per se. He is all in all and the most encompassing "all" we can conceive of.
Yet, the paradox is HE chose to die for me. . . and as the old saying goes--would have were I the only one. . . . and HE would leave the 90 & 9 to go searching for me.
HE has been the one to define, set up, facilitate, woo, etc. etc. a dialogue, a relationship with me. I'm not about to tarnish that by even pretending HE's a disingenuous trickster only pretending to have a meaningful dialogue, dance, RELATIONSHIP with me.
The relationship I see between Him and Moses, Him and John The Beloved and others is exceedingly congruent with what I've learned about relationships. Certainly HE knows how to have the paragon relationship.
You can define and construe the life right out of such a relationship potential if you wish. You can spread sterility far and wide in your brand of theology. But I prefer to avoid that path. It smacks more to me of the pharisees and sadusees than I shrudder to think about.
You tarnish it when you say your will is stronger than His grace
I am sorry you think that a right relationship between the King of Kings and the LORD of LORDS with you is for you to be in control of the 'relationship'
Luk 5:8 When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
THAT is the correct attitude...not "let me tell you what I think God"....
Only one can be Lord..eithor Him or you
Posted by RnMomof7 to Quix; zadok; nobdysfool
On Religion ^ Sep 16 6:44 PM #84 of 84
HE has been the one to define, set up, facilitate, woo, etc. etc. a dialogue, a relationship with me. I'm not about to tarnish that by even pretending HE's a disingenuous trickster only pretending to have a meaningful dialogue, dance, RELATIONSHIP with me.
You tarnish it when you say your will is stronger than His grace
I SAID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I IMPLIED NOTHING OF THE KIND
I MEANT NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I WANTED NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I don't enjoy you putting such grossly inaccurate words in my fingers.
I am sorry you think that a right relationship between the King of Kings and the LORD of LORDS with you is for you to be in control of the 'relationship'
I SAID NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I IMPLIED NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I MEANT NOTHING OF THE KIND.
I WANTED NOTHING OF THE KIND.
Luk 5:8 When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
I wonder if you've ever had an experience similar to the Old Testament prophet who saw Him high and lifted up . . . and knew to the depths of his last subatomic particle that he was a man of unclean lips. Oh, I forgot, of course you haven't. YOU don't ALLOW God to facilitate His relationship with you through dramatic, supernatural or any other kind of experience except the experience of pontificating about words printed on a page.
In any case, IF you'd ever had such an experience, perhaps you'd have begun to comprehend some hint of my attitude and stance before my Lord and God. Until then, your ignorance is grossly showing. It's amazing how much you presume about me. I suspect you presume similarly about God. Yet you accuse me. Fascinating. THAT is the correct attitude...not "let me tell you what I think God".... YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW LESS THAN ZILCH ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. Only one can be Lord..eithor Him or you
PRAISE GOD FOR THAT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, I DARE NOT INSULT HIS DESIGN OF OUR RELATIONSHIP BY EVEN BEGINNING TO CONSTRUE IT AS YOU DO. And here I thought you could at least have some perceptiveness and discernment about me. Boy was I wrong . . . dreadfully and shockingly wrong. But then given how you construe your relationship with God, perhaps I need to extend more grace as it is likely you are relationship challenged.
All men are fallen; none deserves God's blessings.
But on a graduated scale, we are morally superior to the taliban, abortionists notwithstanding.
Discernment counts.
When you says "relationship" do you mean you mean that 1) you can refuse anything that God has planned? 2) That you can manipulate or change Gods will or plan with your prayers
Relationship has to be in proper order...the order between God and man is creator and creature...King and subject...Lord and servant...it is not a co equal relationship...do you agree?
I've long noted that the volume and expansiveness of such claims seems to expand in direct proportion to the lack of demonstration of their veracity.
As in your postings.
Dan
Amen, brother!
Not so. We've been embroiled in the midst of a very lively discussion about amill beliefs, and she is being a bit sarcastic, but is not off base. I happen to share her viewpoint.
2 Chron. 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
That is the only answer that will work. If we trust in armies, we are trusting in the arm of the flesh. We are citizens of another Kingdom, and our allegience should be to it, not our country of birth. The answer is not patriotism, it's repentence. This war will be won on our knees, not on a battlefield.
Do you REALLLLLLLLLY THINK ALMIGHTY GOD has a hard time deciding what HIS priorities are among so many requests, issues, concerns??? The One who has all our hairs on all our heads numbered and knows when a sparrow falls?h
I'm reminded of very spiritual parents of a large brood of kids. Certainly at times the kids would have conflicting requests. Given that the parents spent a great deal of time in prayer considering their busy-ness--they often had very wise, Spirit-led solutions that met the needs of all their children fittingly by turns.
I'm sure God is infinitely better at that than these parents were.
What of the man that wants to die....the woman that enjoys her illness becuse she likes the attention? what of the man that does not want to be saved?..What if your prayer violates Gods plan??
Of course I seek to pray according to "God's plan"--which is all the easier cooperating with Holy Spirit praying, attaching the most fitting meaning to my "tongues" and "groanings" from the deepest heart strings within me direct to the throne of my Almighty Father.
But assuming that in some level of ignorance I pray ascew, I'm sure God has NOT the slightest trouble adjusting His response in the perfectly fitting ways accordingly. . . and probably in the process lovingly teaching me to pray more in step with His Spirit.
These questions seem beneath that of some 3rd graders I've known. I'm amazed you use them.
It is an awesome, priceless, infinite honor to be a Love-slave to My Lord and King.
HE IS THE ONE WHO LIFTS ME UP AND SAYS--BE MY FRIEND; BE MY BRIDE; BE MY JOINT HEIR.
I suppose you could refuse such a relationship. You could insist that you still prefer to clean out the septic tank and scrub the toilets instead of dance with Him.
I'd think it exceedingly insulting to Almighty God to do so, however. . . . not to mention pretty high on the stupid scale, too.
Ahhhhhh and how many 1000's of observations do you have on my demonstrations? . . . even on my claims? . . . Ahhh the postings. Such a minute microcosm.
How interesting that you judge so harshly from such little evidence. And you are claiming to be the son of my Father? That's odd. That doesn't seem like Him. Perhaps you've been in a far country under some other mentor. Perhaps your emotions are speaking too loudly from your limited experiences.
I know. You are quite right. But I'm not primarily speaking to the deaf anyway. People often see and hear better when they evesdrop or lurk.
What's been persistently amazing to me is the number of believers--especially in foreign lands--who "stumble" onto tongues and other ecstatic EXPERIENCES totally independently led of Holy Spirit.
Some even have and know minimal Bible. Some have ONLY the Bible and just take it at face value for what it says and try in their humble, child-like way to apply it. And BOOM, GOD ALMIGHTY BREAKS THROUGH TO THIS TIME AND SPACE IN THEIR INTERESTS IN LOVING RESPONSE TO THEIR PRAYERS AND THE DESIRES OF THEIR HEART--often down to very petty detail levels. What an Awesome God!
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