The Golden Mouthed Preacher-St.John Chrysostom [Bishop,Doctor of Catholic and Orthodox Churches]

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[Lady In Blue]

Happy feast day to you too,TotusTuus!

[Romulus]

Different artists and different periods in his life might account for the differences.

Perhaps, but it shouldn't. The iconography for Christ is perfectly well-established, as it is for Peter, Paul, John the Baptist, the BVM, Nicholas, and innumerable others. Sacred tradition transmits the Church's understanding of how all these saints looked, as well as Chrysostom, and in the vast majority of cases each of these saints is immediately recognisable. The problems arise when "artists" (as opposed to iconographers) reaching after novelties sever themselves from sacred tradition.

[Lady In Blue]

Oh, thank you so much Marcellinus! IGNATIUS had a post(from last year)asking me about whether or not it was true that prior to Vatican 11,the Catholic Church had the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom.I had no answer for him but apparently according to your post,it's true. I'll check a little bit before I close shop this evening.

[Lady In Blue]

DIVINE LITURGY

of

St. John Chrysostom

(According to the Byzantine Rite of the Catholic Church)

From approved ecclesiastical sources.

New Revised Liturgy

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THE MASS

"The Holy Mass [The Divine Liturgy] is a prayer itself, even the highest prayer that exists. It is the Sacrifice, dedicated by our Redeemer at the Cross, and repeated every day on the Altar. If you wish to hear Mass as it should be heard, you must follow with eye, heart, and mouth all that happens at the Altar. Further, you must pray with the Priest the holy words said by him, in the Name of Christ and which Christ says by him. You have to associate your heart with the holy feelings which are contained in these words and in this manner you ought to follow all that happens on the Altar. When acting in this way you have prayed Holy Mass."

-- His Holiness, Pope Saint Pius X

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DIVINE LITURGY

of
St. John Chrysostom

MASS OF THE CATECHUMENS

In the Byzantine Rite of the Catholic Church, the bread and wine used for the Divine Liturgy (The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) are prepared by the priest at a small table located on the left side of the Altar (The Table of Preparation). After he has completed this rite (called Proskomedia) the priest leaves the prepared chalice and paten on the Table of Preparation and goes to the Altar to begin the Divine Liturgy.

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(CONGREGATION STANDS)

The priest kisses the Holy Gospel on the Altar and then makes the sign of the cross over the Altar with the Gospel Book, and begins:

PRIEST: Blessed is the Kingdom of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and forever.

PEOPLE: Amen.

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DURING EASTERTIDE ONLY

Priest & People: Christ is risen from the dead, conquering death by death, and to those in the tombs, bestowing life. (3 Times).

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( CONGREGATION SITS )

LITANY OF PEACE

PRIEST: In peace, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For peace from on high, and for the salvation of our souls, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For peace in the whole world, for the well-being of the holy Churches of Cod and for the union of all, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For this holy church and for all who enter it with faith, reverence and the fear of God, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For our holy universal Supreme Pontiff N . . ., the Pope of Rome, for our most Reverend Archbishop and Metropolitan N . . . , for our God-loving Bishop N . . ., for the venerable priesthood, the diaconate in Christ, for all clergy and the people, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For our civil authorities and all our armed forces, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For this city (or: for this village, or: for this holy monastery), for every city, country, and for all-living therein with faith, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For good weather, for an abundance of the fruits of the earth, and for peaceful times, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: For those who travel by sea, air, and land, for the sick, the suffering, the captive, and for their safety and salvation, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

(Special intentions are added at this time.)

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REQUIEM LITURGY ONLY

Priest: For the servant of God (or servants of God) N. . ., and for his (her, their) blessed memory, and that his (her, their) every transgression, voluntary and involuntary, be forgiven, let us pray to the Lord.

People: Lord, have mercy.

Priest: That he (she, they) may stand uncondemned before the dread tribunal of Christ, and that his (her, their) soul (s) may be included in the realm of the living, in the place of light, where all the saints and righteous repose, let us pray to the Lord.

People: Lord, have mercy.

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PRIEST: That we may be delivered from all affliction, wrath, and need, let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: Help, save, have mercy and protect us, O God, by Your grace.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: Remembering our most holy, most pure, most-blessed and glorious Lady, the Mother of God and ever-Virgin Mary, with all the saints, let us commend ourselves and one another, and our whole life, to Christ, our God.

PEOPLE: To You, O Lord.

Priest (silently): Lord our God. Whose might is beyond utterance. and glory is incomprehensible, Whose mercy is measureless, and love of man is ineffable: Yourself O Master, look down with Your mercy upon us, and upon this holy house, and grant to us, and to those who pray with us, the riches of Your mercy, and of Your compassion.

PRIEST: For to You is due all glory and honor and worship, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, now and ever, and forever.

PEOPLE: Amen.

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SUNDAYS

PEOPLE: Cry out with joy to God all the earth, O sing to the glory of His name, O render Him glorious praise.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, O Savior, save us.

Say to God: How Tremendous Your deeds! Because of the greatness of Your strength Your enemies cringe before You.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, O Savior, save us.

Before You all the earth shall bow; shall sing to You, sing to Your name, O Most High!

Through the prayers of the Mother of God O Savior, save us.

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WEEK-DAYS

PEOPLE: It is good to give thanks to the Lord, to make music to Your Name, O Most High.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, O Savior, save us.

To proclaim Your love in the morning and Your truth in the watches of the night.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, O Savior, save us.

To proclaim that the Lord is just. In Him there is no wrong.

Through the prayers of the Mother of God, O Savior, save us.

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HYMN OF THE INCARNATION

( CONGREGATION STANDS )

PEOPLE: Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and forever. Amen.

( O Only-Begotten Son )

PEOPLE: O Only-Begotten Son and Word of God, Who, being immortal, deigned for our salvation to become incarnate of the Holy Mother of God and ever-Virgin Mary, and became man without change. You were also crucified, O Christ, our God, and by death have trampled death, being one of the Holy Trinity, and glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit, save us.

PRIEST: Again and again in peace let us pray to the Lord.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: Help, save, have mercy and protect us, O God, by Your grace.

PEOPLE: Lord, have mercy.

PRIEST: Remembering our most holy, most pure, most blessed and glorious Lady, the Mother of God and ever-Virgin Mary, with all the saints, let us commend ourselves and one another, and our whole life, to Christ, our God.

PEOPLE: To You, O Lord.

Priest (silently): You, Who promised to grant the petitions of two or three united together in Your name, have given us to offer these prayers with a single and united voice; also hear now the requests of Your servants for their benefit, giving us the knowledge of Your truth in the present time and granting life eternal in the age to come.

PRIEST: For You are a good God and lover of mankind, and to You we give glory, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, now and ever, and forever.

PEOPLE: Amen.

Come, let us rejoice in the Lord; let us sing joy fully to God our Savior.

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SUNDAYS

PEOPLE: O Son of God, risen from the dead, save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

Let us come before Him, giving thanks with songs let us hail the Lord.

O Son of God, risen from the dead, save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

A mighty God is the Lord, and a great king over all the earth.

O Son of God, risen from the dead, save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

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WEEK-DAYS

PEOPLE: O Son of God, wondrous in Your saints, save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

Let us come before Him, giving thanks with songs let us hail the Lord.

O Son of God, wondrous in Your saints save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

A mighty God is the Lord, and a great king over all the earth.

O Son of God, wondrous in Your saints, save us who sing to You. Alleluia.

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[Salvation]

Wonderful.

[Lady In Blue]

Thank you,Salvation. I sure wish I could attend this liturgy of St John Chrysostom don't you?!

[Salvation]

BTTT on 09-13-04, Feast of St. John Chrysostom, bishop and doctor of the Church!

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The Lord's Prayer  

Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name;
Thy kingdom come; Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
Amen
For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, now and forever.
Amen

Hail Mary

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.
Blessed art Thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Glory Be to the Father

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning
is now and ever shall be, world without end.
Amen.

[Tantumergo]

"A Roman Catholic friend once told me he thought St.John's liturgy was also used in Western churches occasionally prior to Vatican II."

That is correct for Rome, at least. The Pope would celebrate 3 Easter liturgies (sorry I can't rememeber which Churches).

The first would be the vigil Mass in the Roman rite after which (early on Sunday morning around 1.00 a.m.) he would travel to the church which served the embassy of the Patriarch of Constantinople and celebrate the Divine Liturgy according to the rite of St. John Chrysostom. This was to acknowledge the universality of the Church and pray for the Christians of the East. He would then travel on for the main Easter Sunday morning Mass of the resurrection.

When St. Pius V codified the Missal (Tridentine) around 1570, the Roman tradition of 3 Masses on Easter Sunday was effectively mandated for the whole Latin Church, although I do not know whether the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was used extensively outside of Rome.

Apparently, the obligation to say 3 Masses on Easter Sunday was a feature of the "Old Rite" which many priests resented and was one of the changes that were eagerly sought for the "revision" of the Roman Missal after Vatican II. By that stage, many had lost any awareness of where the 3 Easter Masses had come from.

[nickcarraway]

BUMP

[Convert from ECUSA]

Thanks for posting this!

[Convert from ECUSA]

"for the death of our Savior has set us free: He has destroyed it by enduring it. He has despoiled Hades by going down into its kingdom. He has angered it by allowing it to taste of his flesh. When Isaias foresaw all this, he cried out : "O Hades, you have been angered by encountering Him in the nether world." Hades is angered because frustrated, it is angered because it has been mocked, it is angered because it has been destroyed, it is angered because it has been reduced to naught, it is angered because it is now captive. It seized a body, and, lo! It discovered God; it seized earth, and, behold! It encountered heaven; it seized the visible, and was overcome by the invisible. "

WOW!

[.30Carbine]

Thank you for the ping to this thread. I've been meditating on one of Chrysostom's quotes that I heard on Christian radio earlier this week:

"A wrong done against love is like a spark
which falling into the sea is extinguished."

I love that.

[Salvation]

BTTT on the Memorial of St. John Chrysostom, bishop and doctor of the Church, September 13, 2005!

[Salvation]

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September 13, 2006

St. John Chrysostom

(d. 407)

The ambiguity and intrigue surrounding John, the great preacher (his name means "golden-mouthed") from Antioch, are characteristic of the life of any great man in a capital city. Brought to Constantinople after a dozen years of priestly service in Syria, John found himself the reluctant victim of an imperial ruse to make him bishop in the greatest city of the empire. Ascetic, unimposing but dignified, and troubled by stomach ailments from his desert days as a monk, John began his episcopate under the cloud of imperial politics.

If his body was weak, his tongue was powerful. The content of his sermons, his exegesis of Scripture, were never without a point. Sometimes the point stung the high and mighty. Some sermons lasted up to two hours.

His life-style at the imperial court was not appreciated by some courtiers. He offered a modest table to episcopal sycophants hanging around for imperial and ecclesiastical favors. John deplored the court protocol that accorded him precedence before the highest state officials. He would not be a kept man.

His zeal led him to decisive action. Bishops who bribed their way into their office were deposed. Many of his sermons called for concrete steps to share wealth with the poor. The rich did not appreciate hearing from John that private property existed because of Adam's fall from grace any more than married men liked to hear that they were bound to marital fidelity just as much as their wives. When it came to justice and charity, John acknowledged no double standards.

Aloof, energetic, outspoken, especially when he became excited in the pulpit, John was a sure target for criticism and personal trouble. He was accused of gorging himself secretly on rich wines and fine foods. His faithfulness as spiritual director to the rich widow, Olympia, provoked much gossip attempting to prove him a hypocrite where wealth and chastity were concerned. His action taken against unworthy bishops in Asia Minor was viewed by other ecclesiastics as a greedy, uncanonical extension of his authority.

Two prominent personages who personally undertook to discredit John were Theophilus, Archbishop of Alexandria, and Empress Eudoxia. Theophilus feared the growth in importance of the Bishop of Constantinople and took occasion to charge John with fostering heresy. Theophilus and other angered bishops were supported by Eudoxia. The empress resented his sermons contrasting gospel values with the excesses of imperial court life. Whether intended or not, sermons mentioning the lurid Jezebel and impious Herodias were associated with the empress, who finally did manage to have John exiled. He died in exile in 407.

Comment:

John Chrysostom's preaching, by word and example, exemplifies the role of the prophet to comfort the disturbed and to disturb the comfortable. For his honesty and courage he paid the price of a turbulent ministry as bishop, personal vilification and exile.

Quote:

Bishops "should set forth the ways by which are to be solved very grave questions concerning the ownership, increase and just distribution of material goods, peace and war, and brotherly relations among all people" (Decree on the Pastoral Office of Bishops, 12).

[Salvation]

BTTT on the Memorial of Saint John Chrysostom, bishop and doctor of the Church, 09-13-06!

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Doctors of the Catholic Church

ST JOHN CHRYSOSTOM SPOKE BRAVELY, BOLDLY AND WAS PERHAPS THE MOST OUTSPOKEN PREACHER THE CHURCH EVER HAD. HE COMFORT THE DISTURBED AND DISTURBED THE COMFORTABLE. JOHN WOULD NOT BE CAUGHT UP IN THE POLITICS OF HIS DAY. HE ADVOCATED PEACE AND JUSTICE. FOR THIS HE WAS BANISHED.

THE DOCTOR OF PREACHERS MESSAGE TO US TODAY IS TO LOVE THOSE WHO HATE YOU AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU. HE SHOWED NO BITTERNESS OR MALICE TOWARD THOSE WHO HATED AND EXILED HIM FROM HIS CHURCH. JOHN ASKED TO SHARE ONE'S WEALTH WITH THE POOR.

FATHER RENGERS TELLS US IN HIS DOCTOR BOOK, LISTED IN THE SOURCES, THAT HE WAS SO GOOD AT PREACHING THAT PICKPOCKETS CAME TO HIS SERMONS AND STOLED AS JOHN'S AUDIENCE WAS RAPT ATTENTIVELY BY HIS PREACHING. HE CAN EASILY LAY CLAIM TO THE TITLE OF THE GREATEST PREACHER OF CHRISTIANITY.

HE IS ALSO THE DOCTOR OF THE EUCHARIST FROM WHICH, WE CAN BE SURE, HE HONED HIS SPEAKING SKILLS AND FOUND THEREIN WHAT TO SAY AS HE LISTENED TO HIS SAVIOR'S SENTIMENTS WHILE BEING SATED WITH THE FLESH OF THE SON OF GOD.

St John Chrysostom, 345-407. Doctor of Preachers, Feast, Sept 13th.

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Saint John Chrysostom, bishop and doctor
September 13th


San Giovanni Crisostomo and Saints
c. 1509
Oil on canvas, 200 x 156 cm
S. Giovanni Crisostomo, Venice

It is simply impossible to lead, without the aid of prayer, a virtuous life. -Saint John Chrysostom

St. John Chrysostom born at Antioch, c. 347 and died at Commana in Pontus, September 14, 407.

John -- whose surname "Chrysostom" occurs for the first time in the "Constitution" of Pope Vigilius in the year 553 -- is generally considered the most prominent doctor of the Greek Church and the greatest preacher ever heard in a Christian pulpit. His natural gifts, as well as exterior circumstances, helped him to become what he was.

At age 20 St. John Chrysostom met Bishop Meletius who inspired him to devote himself to an ascetic and religious life. He studied Holy Scriptures and frequented the sermons of Meletius. About three years later he received Holy Baptism and was ordained lector. But the young cleric, seized by the desire of a more perfect life, soon afterwards entered one of the ascetic societies near Antioch, which was under the spiritual direction of Carterius and especially of the famous Diodorus, later Bishop of Tarsus. Prayer, manual labour and the study of Holy Scripture were his chief occupations, and we may safely suppose that his first literary works date from this time, for nearly all his earlier writings deal with ascetic and monastic subjects. Four years later, Chrysostom resolved to live as an anchorite in one of the caves near Antioch. He remained there two years, but then as his health was quite ruined by indiscreet watchings and fastings in frost and cold, he prudently returned to Antioch to regain his health, and resumed his office as lector in the church.

Probably in the beginning of 381 Meletius made him deacon, just before his own departure to Constantinople, where he died as president of the Second Ecumenical Council. The successor of Meletius was Flavian. Ties of sympathy and friendship connected Chrysostom with his new bishop. As deacon he had to assist at the liturgical functions, to look after the sick and poor, and was probably charged also in some degree with teaching catechumens. At the same time he continued his literary work, and we may suppose that he composed his most famous book, "On the Priesthood", towards the end of this period, or at latest in the beginning of his priesthood.

In the year 386 Chrysostom was ordained priest by Flavian, and from that dates his real importance in ecclesiastical history. His chief task during the next twelve years was that of preaching, which he had to exercise either instead of or with Bishop Flavian. But no doubt the larger part of the popular religious instruction and education devolved upon him. The earliest notable occasion which showed his power of speaking and his great authority was the Lent of 387, when he delivered his sermons "On the Statues". The people of Antioch, excited by the levy of new taxes, had thrown down the statues of Emperor Theodosius. In the panic and fear of punishment which followed, Chrysostom delivered a series of twenty or twenty-one (the nineteenth is probably not authentic) sermons, full of vigour, consolatory, exhortative, tranquilizing, until Flavian, the bishop, brought back from Constantinople the emperor's pardon. But the usual preaching of Chrysostom consisted in consecutive explanations of Holy Scripture.

(Principal source - Catholic Encyclopedia - 1913 edition )

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Collect:
Father,
the strength of all who trust in you,
you made John Chrysostom
renowned for his eloquence
and heroic in his sufferings.
May we learn from his teaching
and gain courage from his patient endurance.

We ask this through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
who lives and reigns with you and the Holy Spirit,
one God, for ever and ever. Amen.