No Room for Christ at Saint Patrick's Cathedral

Seattle Catholic ^ | 12 Sep 2002 | Thomas A. Droleskey

[Conservative til I die]

Wow, you must be real fun to be around at parties, or funerals. Is being funny a prerequisite to eternal salvation?

No, it was just a goof on your post. You just seem like a totally humorless, self-righteous, superiority complex individual. So, at a funeral service, the priest should basically rant about how the deceased is going to hell because they got a divorce, or procured an abortion for their kid. That's basically the idea you've given us. You seem to have no manners, no sense of what is appropriate, and can't even spell the word 'context.' You're the kind of person who would go to a party, strike up a conversation with a pretty lady, and ask her if she's pro-choice and tell her before she even answers that if she is she's gonna rot in hell as Satan's whore.

[Conservative til I die]

No, these types of people shouldn't even be buried in the Church. What exactly is it that makes you conservative? Do you conserve every liberal novelty of the past?

What an ass. What. An. Ass. Because I don't subscribe to your views you're gonna try and smear me as a liberal. I don't think so, buddy.

[Romulus]

But then again sinkspur you believe that there is a possibility that no one is in hell.

Anything's possible.

I guess it would have been impolitic for your seminary to have taught you John Chrysostom's epigram on the subject of hell: to wit, that its floor is paved with the skulls of bishops.

[Irisshlass]

Now when was the last time you heard a priest talk about mortal sins and going to hell?

I can't remember...

[sinkspur]

I guess it would have been impolitic for your seminary to have taught you John Chrysostom's epigram on the subject of hell: to wit, that its floor is paved with the skulls of bishops.

A figure of speech, unless he named them.

[Romulus]

Knowing his reputation for speaking his mind, perhaps he did.

[Coleus]

I can't remember...


Neither can I...Is the church still Catholic?

[sinkspur]

Knowing his reputation for speaking his mind, perhaps he did.

More than likely, he didn't.

We can know that certain people (like John Chrysostom) are in heaven. We don't have similar assurances for anyone who might not be.

[Irisshlass]

Ever hear of EWTN?

[Romulus]

But our condition hereafter how shall we endure, when we are compelled to give our account for each of those who have been entrusted to us? For our penalty is not limited to shame, but everlasting chastisement awaits us as well. As for the passage, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit to them, for they watch in behalf of your souls as they that shall give account; though I have mentioned it once already, yet I will break silence about it now, for the fear of its warning is continually agitating my soul. For if for him who causes one only, and that the least, to stumble, it is profitable that "a great millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depth of the sea;" and if they who wound the consciences of the brethren, sin against Christ Himself, what then will they one day suffer, what kind of penalty will they pay, who destroy not one only, or two, or three, but so many multitudes? For it is not possible for inexperience to be urged as an excuse, nor to take refuge in ignorance, nor for the plea of necessity or force to be put forward. Yea, if it were possible, one of those under their charge could more easily make use of this refuge for his own sins than bishops in the case of the sins of others. Dost thou ask why? Because he who has been appointed to rectify the ignorance of others, and to warn them beforehand of the conflict with the devil which is coming upon them, will not be able to put forward ignorance as his excuse, or to say, "I have never heard the trumpet sound, I did not foresee the conflict." For he is set for that very purpose, says Ezekiel, that he may sound the trumpet for others, and warn them of the dangers at hand. And therefore his chastisement is inevitable, though he that perishes happen to be but one. "For if when the sword comes, the watchman does not sound the trumpet to the people, nor give them a sign, and the sword come and take any man away, he indeed is taken away on account of his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hands."

"TREATISE ON THE PRIESTHOOD" St. John Chrysostom

[RobbyS]

Now there was a preacher! It is no wonder that he was driven from his see.

[Jeff Chandler]

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[saradippity]

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[Jeff Chandler]

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[Aquinasfan]

Great article bump!

[Aquinasfan]

When was the last time you heard about a memorial Mass for the victims of abortion? I guess there's never a good time for that.

[Aquinasfan]

I believe in hell, but where is it written that it is occupied?

What did Jesus die to save us from? Was He warning us about an actual impossibility? Wouldn't that make Him a liar?

[Jeff Chandler]

What did Jesus die to save us from?

If you listen to some people you would think He was saving us from being inhospitable!