[the_doc]

My point was that the apostle's language argues that they were not embodied.

John didn't see their corporeal persons, but the souls thereof.

Seems to me that this is the same thing Paul was talking about.

[ksen]

My point was that the apostle's language argues that they were not embodied.

Right, but by the end of verse 4 they were embodied because of their participation in the first resurrection. ;^)