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Rn, the issue is the scripture of Rev 5, Rev 20, and 1 Co 15. They say there's a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth after his return. We can like that or not like that, but it's still the bible. There are different groups of people for you to keep track of because things are different than now. 1. Those who have been resurrected or translated.
2. Those who are living on the earth at Christ's return.
3. Those who are born on earth after Christ's return.

NOW go to Isaiah 65:19-20. It says 19 "I will also (45) rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of (46) weeping and the sound of crying. 20 "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does (47) not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the (48) one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

You have 3 and only 3 choices in placing that scripture in its proper time context.

1. It is NOW before the Return of Christ.
2. It is in the New Heavens and the New Earth (it doesn't matter whether the NHNE of the amillennialists or premillennialists.)
3. It is in the millennial reign of the premillennialists.

It speaks of youths dying. It speaks of old men dying. One who dies at 100 will be considered a youth. Old men, it says, will live out their age.

Now, where does it fit? Where? You have only 3 choices: Now, NHNE, Millennium.

1. Do you think that NOW we have people living well past 100? Are there any you know who consider a 100 year old to be a "youth?" No. It clearly isn't NOW, is it?

2. Is it the New Heaven and the New Earth? If it is then there is death there. But the bible says "there is no more death" doesn't it? Or are you going to have death in the NHNE? If so, then you might as well work through the scriptural problems of the millennium because You're gonna start asking yourself who these folks are and why they're having babies and why they're dying in the NHNE.

3. Is it the millennial reign? Well, if I had to pick a place, I'd pick this place. There are people living there who were not resurrected or raptured. But there's no verse that says there's NO DEATH. Instead, there are verses like 1 Co 15 that say Christ must reign until all enemies are put down....the LAST enemy to be destroyed is death.

So, takes your picks. No matter which one you pick you get to work on the scriptural difficulties. My difficulties involve organizing sequence. Their difficulties involve "what am I gonna symbolize now to make this make even a modicum of sense?" I know, we'll symbolize Satan in the now and say he has no power. I know we'll symbolize new meanings for death and life in the NHNE or in the NOW.

If that trips your switch, then welcome to rendering the bible one big trip of symbols.

So, then, if I symbolize his reign on earth WHY can't I symbolize His return? What rule says I can't? If I can do the one why can't I do the other? Why can't I symbolize the entire NHNE? The New Jerusalem? The Streets of Gold? The Tree of Life?

Why not symbolize the resurrection along with the liberals?

"NOW go to Isaiah 65:19-20. It says 19 "I will also (45) rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of (46) weeping and the sound of crying. 20 "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does (47) not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the (48) one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
You have 3 and only 3 choices in placing that scripture in its proper time context.

Isaiah 65:17,18:
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

I'll take #2 for $1000, Bob!

Isaiah 65:17,l8 explicitly and specifically tells us that the description of 19-on ~IS~ the New Heavens and the New Earth!!!!!

Your rather tortured and bastardized readings of this passage, aside, or course, LOL!

Jean

(Sorry about the PM! -LOL!)

Rn, the issue is the scripture of Rev 5, Rev 20, and 1 Co 15. They say there's a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth after his return.

I reserve the right to come back and examine these scriptures directly. However, I am still in the interest charity looking to understand your position and query you directly about it with a few scriptures. I will also return to your previous post, but I wanted RnMomof7 to see this:

Isaiah 65:18 (The verse you evidently don't like) For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former shall not be remembered or come upon the heart.

Isaiah 65:19-20. It says 19 "I will also (45) rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of (46) weeping and the sound of crying.

Revelation 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.... "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying; and there shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

In the words of the_doc: "Game, Set, & Match" to the Amillennialists ;^)

BTW, I will come back and revisit these verses again.