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To: CCWoody; drstevej; fortheDeclaration; maestro; RnMomof7; jude24
The hour is coming when I will speak with freepers -- with DrStevej about barbeque and with ftD about coleslaw.

I'd like to point out that I could talk to DrStevej next week about barbeque and to ftD the following week about coleslaw. The hour had come when both of those were true. That is a perfectly acceptable use of "time" conventions built into language.

Now, IF I then run across a passage in the book of XzinsPlans Chapter 20, verses 4 - 5 that says the barbeque discussion is separated from the coleslaw discussion by a period of ONE WEEK, then I have sealed the case.

That is precisely what was meant by that use of a linguistic time convention.

John 5 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.......11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

2,444 posted on 10/17/2002 8:14:33 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; Jean Chauvin; the_doc; OrthodoxPresbyterian
The hour is coming when I will speak with freepers -- with DrStevej about barbeque and with ftD about coleslaw. I'd like to point out that I could talk to DrStevej next week about barbeque and to ftD the following week about coleslaw. The hour had come when both of those were true. That is a perfectly acceptable use of "time" conventions built into language.

There is just one little word which shreds your argument, a word which you completely left out: The problem here is that you think that the Revelation of John is actually the Clarification of John. Evidently Jesus was not clear the first time He spoke and needed to clarify Himself. You should rename your Book appropriately.

And this doesn't even address the fact that you are BBQ'ing the greek word hora to make it fit your reinterpretation of John. The definition of this word speaks about a definite point in time. There is no reason to believe that this is not the case except that you must consult your master "mere 7 verses" from the Clarification of John to change this into 2 definite points in time.

You are embarrassing yourself here.
2,447 posted on 10/17/2002 8:51:20 AM PDT by CCWoody
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