Spurgeon's View of the MILLENNIUM

Pilgrim Pub. ^ | MARK A. MCNEIL

[xzins]

do ya mean there's other stuff he's wrong about....egads!!

[Corin Stormhands]

Well, I can't say. I wouldn't want to be accused of being divisive amongst people in the midst of a fight or anything...

[nate4one]

Makes me wonder if God is going to "beam up" the throne from Britan to heaven to His right side, or if He will move His throne down here next to the one in Britan? :o)

BTW, the fact that He will reign until His enemy be made His footstool" is a clue He is a conquering king.

But after all is conquered, even He hands the kingdom over to the father. (1 Cor 15:28).

Just my opinion, but this idea that Christ will be king forever is incorrect. God the father will rule once the conquering is complete.

PS all that was to be conquered (death (hades) and sin), have been.

[CCWoody]

Here we go again is right. You know the response is on earth because the scene is on earth and because Rev 5: 10 says "reign on earth." The scene is on earth because the angel came down "out of heaven," Satan is prevented from deceiving those who live on the earth, he is released back to deceive those on the earth.

All of which is predicated up a reinterpretation of the gospel to force it to fit PreMillennialism. Note that all of the following citations from the gospel are 100% true:

• Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age [ the age of the sowing of the seed]. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
• And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
• "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.... And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:.... Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:.... And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
• The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You can either choose to accept them, or you can reject them. However, this is basic gospel stuff that the Lord Himself spoke plainly about. What makes you think that the Lord would make the gospel cryptic and needing a special Revelation in order to be unlocked?

[JesseShurun]

I don't want to fight with you but it needs to be pointed out that to prove your personal ideas which really, in spite of what you think, aren't all that important to anythng anyway, you ignore important scripture that doesn't agree with you. This will get you into serious trouble someday if you do become a minister of the Word.

Jesus Christ's claim to the throne is God's claim to the throne. He doesn[t have to inherit anything that is already His as another poster has pointed out. The elect that belong to Jesus are the elect that belong to Jesus. The true throne never changes.

Zedekiah's claim to the "throne of David" King of Judah, was every bit as real as any other king put up there by the Lord. If God didn't enthrone him who did? Nebuchadrezzer did, but whose servant was he? This is sealed when Ezekiel refers to him as the "Royal Seed" that was taken away to Babylon in the parable of Chapter 17. And he is the one referred to, not Jechoniah or the son, who sat on the throne for 6 months after the curse was given.

To show just how unimportant the "Throne" was to God, He even let the AntiChrist and his son sit on it, while the True King walked the earth.

The irony of course with Jeremiah, as with the other prophets, is that the people constantly reject the Word of God, whether it's the Torah or Jeremiah. If you are going to feed them, feed them bread not manure.

[g'nad]

What's up bro?....

[Corin Stormhands]

You've got mail.

[xzins]

You have added a parentheses because that's where the issue is, isn't it? The end of the age is when the tares will burn....After the judgement of the unjust.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age [ the age of the sowing of the seed]. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

The rapture at the end of the tribulation will translate into eternity (the 5 good virgins) those who believe in Christ. They will reign with Christ. Those alive, unbelieving, and not ready will remain on earth.
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, "Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

See 1st, 2nd resurrections in Rev 20: 4-5. It emphasizes the nature of the judging going on.
"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.... And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, "Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:.... Then He will also say to those on the left hand, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:.... And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

The rapture/1st Resurrection (Rev 19:14; Rev 20:4) precedes the white throne judgementand coming to life of the rest of the dead.(Rev 20:5) The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

[xzins]

To show just how unimportant the "Throne" was to God, He even let the AntiChrist and his son sit on it, while the True King walked the earth.

antichrist sat on it??????? please explain

[xzins]

it's just a food fight....

better to be called a heretic than a liberal democrat. just ask any of 'em.

[JesseShurun]

I'm sorry but I was going 500 mph yesterday. I thought you were asking about David's descendents. The reference to the temple I gave off the top of my head as I did the living stones. You are right. 1Peter 2:5 is the other.

All throughout scripture you will see references to the people as the true Temple, the True Throne, the True Land. A person is a stone of the temple. We are in Christ. He is the Temple. We are the City of Jerusalem, living stones. You know the rest.

We don't worship the exterior monuments and we sure as heck never worship ourselves, but people who reject the Word of God, whether it's the Prophets or the Torah, will get lost every time.

[JesseShurun]

xzins, xzins, xzins. Read Josephus' account of Herod who tried to kill Christ and of the son that killed John. Read the New Testament account of Herod. People who like types can revel to their heart's content in the exploits of this evil malefactor. Herod was descended from the Idameans and that's another story. Get offline and get to work.

[CCWoody]

Let's just take these one at a time, shall we:

The gospel:

• The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Your response:

The rapture/1st Resurrection (Rev 19:14; Rev 20:4) precedes the white throne judgementand coming to life of the rest of the dead.(Rev 20:5)

Your response is a lie against the scripture. The gospel says that the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth to either life or condemnation.

• You must reinterpret the gospel to force it to fit your PreMillennial notions about what the Revelation says.
• You must believe that Jesus is speaking in a cryptic language which needs the Revelation as a key to unlock.
• You must believe that the gospel itself is a cryptic language.

[xzins]

types, types, types.....curses on types UNLESS the writer says "type of Antichrist" to clarify what he means. C'mon Jesse, you've been into this obscurity thing for a week or two. Get over it.

[xzins]

Woody, read Rev 20. Especially verses 4 & 5. There are 2 resurrections mentioned...they are separated by a 1000 years. That's no reinterpretation --- that IS premillennialism. It's exactly the same as John the Apostle wrote and taught.

[CCWoody]

All throughout scripture you will see references to the people as the true Temple, the True Throne, the True Land. A person is a stone of the temple. We are in Christ. He is the Temple. We are the City of Jerusalem, living stones. You know the rest.

Ok, I'm caught back up. I had not noticed the 1 Pe 2:5 reference before and linked it with the Corinthians passage. Ignoring the True Throne and True Land statements, can you now explain how you make the case that the living stone here is actually a "book"?

[Revelation 911]

Rev...go away...and take your gifs with ya:>)

be nice lady -

[CCWoody]

Woody, read Rev 20. Especially verses 4 & 5. There are 2 resurrections mentioned...they are separated by a 1000 years.

I'm not disputing that!

That's no reinterpretation --- that IS premillennialism. It's exactly the same as John the Apostle wrote and taught.

To be exact, it is merely an interpretation that the resurrection of the just and the resurrection of the damned are separated by 1000 years. I'm not even disputing that that is PreMillennialism.

I am disputing that this is what the gospel of John wrote and taught.

The words of the gospel of John:

• The hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

You must reinterpret these gospel words to force it to fit your PreMillennial notions about what the Revelation says. There is really no disputing this. This is what you are doing.

You must believe that Jesus is speaking in a cryptic language which needs the Revelation as a key to unlock.

You must believe that the gospel itself is a cryptic language.

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In short, you are making the gospel into a lie with your interpret the gospel according to the PreMillennialist interpretation of Revelation method of Biblical interpretation. And this you are not allowed to do.

[Revelation 911]

You terminally ill or something?

are you irregular?

nate - youve misinterpreted my post and I admittedly forgot my grin tag - It was a joke lampooning the fact RNmomof7 is in agreement with xzins and in disagreement with her compadres (the calvinists) with whom she typically sides. If you had spent the time to read the entire post it was plainly clear to those who spend even minimal time here.

you need to take a deep breath before you lash out so piously - Ive not stated anywhere here what my position is, for the mere fact the opinions of goobs like you matter not to me, particularly since they are typically abusive and intentionally offensive. Is the_doc now giving lessons?

[JesseShurun]

Obscurity? Now I'm totally confused as it is clear to me what it's all about. The story is also in Joseph but I'll leave that until much much much later. Sorry, I didn't mean to be obscure.