Replies

God's soveringty is infinite. His love is infinite. His mercy is infinite. His grace is infinite. If you recognize that, then you must recognize that God could not possibly be the "author" of our sins nor the "author" of our eternal damnation. It simply would not fit into "the good pleasure of His will."

Scream that from the roof tops and I'll Amen ya till you come down. :)

I cannot repeat often enough that election is God’s choosing us in Christ. I emphasize again that men are not lost because they have not been elected. They are lost because they are sinners and that is the way they want it and that is the way they have chosen. The free will of man is never violated because of the election of God. The lost man makes his own choice. “If there be not free will grace in God, how can He save the world? And if there be not free will in man, how can the world by God be judged?” Here again is Paul’s strong statement, “What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid” (Rom. 9:14). Now if you think that there is some unrighteousness with God, you had better change your mind.

BigMack

Now if you think that there is some unrighteousness with God, you had better change your mind.

Or your theology. If by applying your theology you must come to the conclusion that God is "pleased" that there is sin in the world, then your theology is obviously displeasing to God. One must reconcile the fact of God's abhorence to sin and evil with his absolute infinite soverignty over all creation. If your theology forces the conclusion that because God is "sovereign" that therefore he is in any way "pleased" with the actions of those who commit evil or is in any way the author and designer of the evil that men commit, then your theology is in need of a reality adjustment.

Mack ya need to not take a verse out of context...that is the strongest chapter in scripture teaching election...

Rom 9:10   And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac;

Rom 9:11   (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Rom 9:12   It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

Rom 9:13   As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Rom 9:14   What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Rom 9:15   For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16   So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:17   For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Rom 9:18   Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.

Rom 9:19   Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Rom 9:20   Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21   Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22   [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23   And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Rom 9:24   Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 9:25   As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:26   And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Rom 9:27   Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 9:28   For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:29   And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Rom 9:30   What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31   But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 9:32   Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33   As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The twins neithor being born..neithor having done good or evil...God elected the one HE loved...
He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy...Does that make God unrightoeus Paul asks ..Of couse not ...God is the potter He can doas HE chooses

Mack God selected you before you were born..not because you are bright or educated or white or a biker or because you are holy..He chose you because he chose you...as Ephesians says it was His "good pleasure" fall on your knees in graditude Mack....It was ALL Him