[P-Marlowe]

The problem with Sproul and most strict Calvinists is that they fail to recognize that the good pleasure of God's will can be accomplished by His recognizing in advance and ordaining the choices that he commands us as men to make and that we ultimately make in response.

Certainly everything is predestined. It is predestined because God knows how everything is going to turn out. And God has assured us that everything is going to turn out just fine-- according to the good pleasure of his will.

But the Calvinist perspective logically makes God not only the author and finisher of our faith, but also makes him the author and finisher of our sin, and the author and finisher of our damnation. That is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled. God is Good. God is not bad.

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Marlowe

[zadok]

The problem with Arminians is that they do not recognize God's sovereignty over ALL things.

[RnMomof7]

Of course I disagree with you on this PM...

I was at a Baptist Bible study tonight (Arminian Baptist) A question of sin came up and one man went on and on how the devil made us do it..

This is a man that can quote scripture..but fails to see that man desires sin ..the devil does not have to make him do it..( I was new tonight so I did not take him on this)

But to blame the devil (or God ) for our sin fails to take into account our free will and our carnal hearts

God does not have to make us sin..we can do that very well on our own thank you::>) He knows us and He knows what sins we will commit and He works them like all things for the good and for His plan...

Marlowe....as I listened to the stories of the survivors of the Twin towers and how many were saved by "coincidences" ..... God knew that was going to happen ..no one died that God did not intend to die..no one was saved by accident...God is in complete control..that is why we call Him God

[Aggressive Calvinist]

If God is not the "author and finisher" of our damnation, who is?