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To: P-Marlowe
Of course I disagree with you on this PM...

I was at a Baptist Bible study tonight (Arminian Baptist) A question of sin came up and one man went on and on how the devil made us do it..

This is a man that can quote scripture..but fails to see that man desires sin ..the devil does not have to make him do it..( I was new tonight so I did not take him on this)

But to blame the devil (or God ) for our sin fails to take into account our free will and our carnal hearts

God does not have to make us sin..we can do that very well on our own thank you::>) He knows us and He knows what sins we will commit and He works them like all things for the good and for His plan...

Marlowe....as I listened to the stories of the survivors of the Twin towers and how many were saved by "coincidences" ..... God knew that was going to happen ..no one died that God did not intend to die..no one was saved by accident...God is in complete control..that is why we call Him God

6 posted on 09/11/2002 8:27:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
By your post you admit the evil that is in mens hearts, but by your Calvinism you assert that the evil that is there is because God wants it there.

You might as well say that God was flying the planes when they flew into the towers. You say that nobody died that God did not intend to die. IMHO the proper emphasis is that no one died that God did not allow to die. It is true that no one was saved by accident. It is also true that the men who drove those planes were not acting in accordance with the "good pleasure" of God's will, but instead they were acting in accordance with their own evil intentions and their own dastardly free will in accordance only with the permissive will of God.

Would you go so far as to say that it "pleased" God that 3000 people were killed by Islamic terrorists last year? Or would you say that it probably grieved God, yet he still permitted it?

Does God's sovereignty extend to his perfect "good will" being accomplished in evil men comitting genocide?

8 posted on 09/11/2002 8:43:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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