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I juat love how Armenians will take this passage and try to tell us what God means by it. These are the same folks that insist that the Bible is God's Word, without fault, inspired, correct, etc. But when it comes to the 9th chapter of Romans, "What God really means is...."

I think until someone tells you to stop for a minute and THINK...often we just do not really consider what these things reveal about God.

My experience is when it gets uncomfortable to think about they stop posting

You know what the bible says

Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

No one wants to believe that they were not in charge of their eternity...remember the expression "let go and let God" as if God can not act unless we let go...

So they close their eyes and decide to end the discussion...it is easier that thinking about spiritual things...

"What God really means is...."

You do the same thing with John 3:16.

"world"="only the elect"

"whosoever"="only the elect."

Don't make fun of Arminians for doing what Calvinists do. Both sides have to twist scripture to stay within the confines of their constructs.