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To: JMJ333; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Aliska; Codie; RnMomof7; the_doc; Matchett-PI
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Perhaps all you Catholics can clear up for me where Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural. ~ (SMEDLEYBUTLER)

BTW, for all you Catholics, there is a Scriptural basis for healing: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: I just can't seem to find in this passage where it says to pray to the dead or pray to any man.

Nothing you could possibly say to ccwoody will penetrate. He is going to believe we are idol worshipers regardless of facts. That is what happens when you are blinded by hatred.

Oh, I forgot, you are that blindly emotional person who cannot accept any word which exposes anything you believe to be in error. You also, if I remember made sure you defended the honor of your Pope, but ignored the post of another Freeper who said that Jesus would return as a San Fran homosexual. It is telling of your priorities. Rage on!
14 posted on 09/03/2002 3:02:45 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
What part of the word "intercessory" don't you understand? You sit there looking down you nose at us in disdain and smugness and can't figure out how to look up a word in the dictionary and see out how it applies to the saints. We aren't worshiping them, oh highly favored one. We only worship the Trinity. We ASK the saints for help with intercessory prayer. Apparently, this is too complicated for you to grasp.
15 posted on 09/03/2002 3:07:43 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: CCWoody
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

We must remember that Jesus said this before there were any saints and before there was any church. He never specifically tells us not to.

Catholics can't just pray to anyone who has gone to the next life. Before you can pray to the departed, they must have been declared "venerable" by the church.

You still didn't answer my question. To just exactly what or who do you attribute the priest's healing?

How do you explain to the doctor of this man what happened?

What do you tell the Washington Times reporter if he asks for your input?

We know what you will say to us.

16 posted on 09/03/2002 3:13:02 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: CCWoody
Perhaps all you Catholics can clear up for me where Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural. ~ (SMEDLEYBUTLER)

I'll be happy to provide you with many passages from Scripture, but first I need to know if you ever recite the Apostles' Creed and utter the words "communion of saints"?

I just can't seem to find in this passage where it says to pray to the dead or pray to any man.

While not limiting ourselves to this one passage, is it your contention that the Saints in heaven are dead and that Jesus was not a man?

203 posted on 09/04/2002 9:30:00 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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