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To: ultima ratio
There is this claim, however, that somehow attending SSPX Masses might eventually lead to a schismatic tendency or attitude-

I've made an exhaustive list of character traits I've found to be caused by SSPX membership on another thread. I believe that the SSPX tends to inculcate a disordered paradigm. I derived my opinion by talking to many SSPXers. They all have the same tendencies. I think many bishops recognize these tendencies as well.

Since the SSPX acknowledges the Pope as the head of the Church and prays for him at every Mass....

LOL I don't know why you feel you need to keep telling me that. Is praying for the pope in mass somehow supposed to mitigate the insults you hurl and contempt you disply for the pope whenever you are not in mass?

The truth is traditionalists who follow the fraternity must put up with a lot of abuse by badly informed Catholics who claim--on the basis of diocesan pundits who demonize the SSPX every chance they get-

I'm still laughing. This is a good example of the hypocrisy the SSPX is known for. You cry demonization when that is all you do to the Catholic church. You despise the mass, the hierarchy, the theology,the councils, the popularity of the pope-all. Yet you expect your movement to be shown respect by those you despise. Believe me, I am being charitable when I describe that as kooky.

This is it for me Ultima. I'm not interested in repeating myself and that's all we seem to be doing. If I don't repond to anything else you might have to say, it's because it's probably been covered before. Thanks for playing. Pax et bonum.

39 posted on 08/16/2002 8:45:16 AM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
Your tirade proves my point. Show me where I have used such abusive language against others on this site, yet you and others routinely abuse those who put forth arguments to show the Archbishop was right. You do not address the points argued, you attack the persons making them, talking about vague "tendencies" that all seem to add up to this: we are not to criticize the systemic apostasies and corruptions that have poured forth from the conciliar Church for the past forty years.

In other words, we are not supposed to THINK. We are supposed to accept the revolutionary changes that have been imposed on the laity since Vatican II, including the institution of a Mass that is indistinguishable from a thoroughly Protestant worship service and in clear contradiction to the Council of Trent. If we should speak out against such radical changes and inform others of their illegitimacy, we are being schismatic--or at least tending in that direction.

Yes, I have criticized the Pope--as any Catholic has the right to do for acts which are thoroughly unprecedented and unorthodox--such as praying with voodoo priests and witchdoctors or kissing the Koran. I have done so in a context of extreme adulation of the Pope on the part of some on this site who refuse to attribute to his papacy any responsibility for the systemic wrongs and breakdowns in discipline and doctrine which currently plague the Church. If you don't like this, I am not surprised. But it is not doing anything but placing the blame for the current mess where it rightfully belongs.


40 posted on 08/16/2002 9:18:54 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: St.Chuck
. If I don't repond to anything else you might have to say, it's because it's probably been covered before.

It has been , repeatedly. It makes no difference how many times Patent and Sitetest patiently chased down his misquotes and fabrications and corrected them. He will not abandon his position, for now.

Responding to his ceaseless repitition of the same errors will only encourage him to continue.

45 posted on 08/16/2002 10:20:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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