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To: St.Chuck
Your tirade proves my point. Show me where I have used such abusive language against others on this site, yet you and others routinely abuse those who put forth arguments to show the Archbishop was right. You do not address the points argued, you attack the persons making them, talking about vague "tendencies" that all seem to add up to this: we are not to criticize the systemic apostasies and corruptions that have poured forth from the conciliar Church for the past forty years.

In other words, we are not supposed to THINK. We are supposed to accept the revolutionary changes that have been imposed on the laity since Vatican II, including the institution of a Mass that is indistinguishable from a thoroughly Protestant worship service and in clear contradiction to the Council of Trent. If we should speak out against such radical changes and inform others of their illegitimacy, we are being schismatic--or at least tending in that direction.

Yes, I have criticized the Pope--as any Catholic has the right to do for acts which are thoroughly unprecedented and unorthodox--such as praying with voodoo priests and witchdoctors or kissing the Koran. I have done so in a context of extreme adulation of the Pope on the part of some on this site who refuse to attribute to his papacy any responsibility for the systemic wrongs and breakdowns in discipline and doctrine which currently plague the Church. If you don't like this, I am not surprised. But it is not doing anything but placing the blame for the current mess where it rightfully belongs.


40 posted on 08/16/2002 9:18:54 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Your tirade proves my point. Show me where I have used such abusive language...

Tirade? And to think that I have been consciously exercising restraint. Oh well.

I never accused you of using abusive language, so I'm not going to show you anything.

Yes, I have criticized the Pope--as any Catholic has the right to do for acts which are thoroughly unprecedented and unorthodox--such as praying with voodoo priests and witchdoctors or kissing the Koran. I have done so in a context of extreme adulation of the Pope on the part of some on this site who refuse to attribute to his papacy any responsibility for the systemic wrongs and breakdowns in discipline and doctrine which currently plague the Church.

I was so proud of you when you substituted mullahs for voodoo priests on another post. That attempt at variety/originality was encouraging. But you've reverted back to voodoo priests. Rats! A relapse.

IMHO, if not for this pope things would be far worse in this church. Liberals despise this pope too, Ultima. He's no modernist. Too laid back, maybe, but that is probably a consequence of a profound inner peace. May the peace of Our Lord also be with you.

47 posted on 08/16/2002 12:23:03 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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