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To: White Mountain; Admin Moderator; drstevej; Wrigley; RnMomof7
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders the Baptists.
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Presbyterians
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Methodists
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Muslims.
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Catholic Church.
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders the Unitarians.
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders the Anglican Church.
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Calvinists
Its ok to question the theology and criticize the leaders of the Arminaians

But don't you dare question the theology or criticize the leaders of the LDS Chruch or you are an Anti-Mormon bigot.

Is that the rules of the Game WM?

This whole issue got started when restornu, an LDS poster, posted a whole boatload of racist statements by some of the past leaders of the LDS Church. What am I supposed to do, ignore it? No, I challenged her on it. I thought that is what we do here at FR. I did not resort to any personal attack. I asked a lot of questions, which in light of the stuff that restornu posted, needed to be asked. If that will get me banned, then so be it. Frankly if the moderator will review the posts, he will find that I was called a liar, a sladerer and an apostate by the LDS people. Did I respond in kind? No, I might have questioned some of the things that the LDS leaders have said and stated my own opinion, but I did not resort to any personal attacks on any of the posters.

I would implore the Moderator to review all the posts before pulling this thread. I believe that this thread is most informative from both a theological as well as a historical standpoint. This type of dialouge ought not to be censored.

441 posted on 08/18/2002 9:46:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Will it do any good to reply to you? Shall I try once again?

In your #441 you give the moderator a huge reading assignment, then play the bigotry card (compare #438 and #439), and the censorship card. In my opinion, that is not a good way to address the moderator.

We were allies, maybe uneasy allies, on the Calvinist threads months ago, addressing their misbehavior and trying to understand where it came from. I made my points with them, and when the problems with a certain FReeper's emotional abuse seemed to be getting the attention they needed, I went to other threads and gave non-FR activities more of the time they deserve, but of course the Calvinists always show up and try to dominate the discussion, trying to make each thread a Calvinist anti-Arminian or anti-Catholic or anti-LDS thread. It took me a long time, until this thread in fact, to lump you in with the aggressive Calvinists. Here on this thread I can't tell the difference between the bashing-by-Marlowe and the bashing-by-Calvinists.

This thread was a Catholic thread. JMJ333 started it, and then flagged me to it with a claim that Latter-Day Saints deny the Triune God. I responded, and to her credit, she moderated her statement to one of differences rather than denial of God. Then you guys flocked in, changed the subject, and hijacked the thread. Somebody, perhaps drstevej, is tracking my posts. See #34, where he posted and flagged you. It is the Calvinists that are coming after me, not the other way around, although I should pay them a visit now and then so they won't claim they drove me off.

Suppose you were a conservative female or Jew or African-American on a thread bashing conservative women leaders or Jewish leaders or Black leaders on a forum that tolerated that, like the bashing on this thread seems to be tolerated by the management here. How would you get it to stop?

You seek to put us in a no-win situation (you have to admit that) and I am not buying any of it. You are not telling the truth about the LDS Church or its leaders. Your manner of "coming to the truth" will not get you where you say you are trying to go.

There is no place for this kind of behavior in heaven. How is it that you think this kind of behavior will lead anyone to the truth about anything?

For us, it is like trying to describe a peaceful meadow in the midst of a raging storm, or like talking about spiritual things to natural men. You guys are like a storm that never blows over, so we will deal with the situation with the means we have available to us. But know this: the Master will come again, and He will in effect say, "Peace, be still", and there will be no place for the behavior that you and the aggressive Calvinists love, and trust, and rely on so much.

443 posted on 08/19/2002 2:40:05 AM PDT by White Mountain
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