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Names of Bishops Calling for Plenary Council Revealed
Catholic World News (sorry, no link!) | 8/7/02 | Antoninus

Posted on 08/07/2002 8:23:08 PM PDT by Antoninus

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To: Polycarp; ELS; Desdemona
Forward to "Goodbye, Good Men" By Alice von Hildebrand, Ph.D.

This book holds the key to a phenomenon which, to many, is also an enigma: Why are so many seminaries empty? Michael S. Rose has the courage — a courage that many Church leaders lack — of giving us the fearful but uncontestable answer: because vice has penetrated into many of them, and those who do not condone vice are excluded. True vocations are "disqualified."

Over the past two decades the Church has been rocked by scandal after scandal: pedophilia and homosexuality among priests and bishops especially. Such scandal is a nightmare for Church leaders, but too often their main or even sole concern is that this moral cancer should receive no publicity. This concern might be justified when such grave deviations from the moral law among clerics are few and far between. But when these scandals take on epidemic proportions, a different tack must be taken: Ezekiel says emphatically that it is the strict duty of the watchman to warn his flock of danger (Ezek., 3:16-21). Likewise, in his Introduction to the Devout Life, St. Francis de Sales writes, "…in charity we are bound to give the alarm whenever the wolf is found amongst the sheep." In other words, when evil and vice take over, the policy to suppress the truth cannot be justified. Today, the disease has indeed reached epidemic proportions; yet silence and cover up continue to be de rigueur for those in positions of authority in the Catholic Church. Woe to those who remain silent when it is their duty to confront evil!

Rose is no bishop; he is no pastor, but he has understood that "there is a time to speak" (Eccles., 3:7), and heart-breaking as it is, he blows the whistle. The picture is devastating but alas, true. In Goodbye! Good Men, Michael S. Rose bases his information on innumerable interviews with the victims of "political correctness." No one of good will could question the validity of his research and the many testimonies included within. Whoever reads this book will, upon closing it, feel a call to pray incessantly for our beloved Church, which has been invaded by ravenous wolves. We do well to remember that in the diabolical plan of spreading vice and error among the clergy, the Devil uses men to carry out his plans. In his book The Problem of the Present Time, Enrico Delassus gives us a key to the drama unfolding before our eyes today: "Remove priests from work, from the altar, and from the practice of virtue [and they] will become ambitious, intrigant, and perverse. The best blow that can be dealt to the Church is to attack her heart through corruption."

Indeed, as the wise Sancho Panza remarked, "the Devil never sleeps." It is time now for us "to wake up from sleep" as St. Paul urges us to do. Michael S. Rose is to be commended for his courage to write this startling exposé. This book is a must-read for those who realize how very late it is. The situation is grave but God will not abandon his Church: "The gates of Hell will not prevail."

ALICE VON HILDEBRAND, Ph.D.
New Rochelle, New York
February, 2002 Dr. Von Hildebrand is an eminent philosopher, Professor Emeritus at Hunter College in New York City, and author of The Soul of a Lion.

41 posted on 08/08/2002 8:11:10 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Polycarp
Okay, the paperback it is...good thing since I've been spending a fortune on music lately.

What's next? Your guess is as good as mine, but what do you want to bet, a big fight will ensue as to whether or not to actually have one with the entrenched "powerful" ones lining up against it and the newer, more orthodox bishops for it. The conservative hot button guys will probably keep their mouths shut until it's all over one way or the other. If they're targets, public silence and private encouragement helps the cause more than beating a war drum. What's going to be more interesting is watching Mahoney, Maida, etc., get their underwear in a bunch over their authority being questioned. I always love that.
42 posted on 08/08/2002 8:13:56 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Sock
I'm hopeful that the magnitude and evil of the scandal that has been thrust full force in front of us has roused the anger and spiritual awareness of all of us... including some of the Cardinals, Bishops and Priests who may have been "asleep at the wheel" or complacent for the last couple of decades or so.
43 posted on 08/08/2002 8:19:25 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: cebadams
What do we know about any of these guys?
I have ranked the known signatories in four categories from worst to best based on their known "gay friendliness."

GROUP A: BISHOPS WHO ALLOW THEIR PRIESTS TO CELEBRATE RAINBOW MASSES:

As per Dignity/USA:

Daniel Cronis (Hartford) allows his priests to celebrate Rainbow masses every Sunday at 5:00 p.m. in the Quaker Meeting House, 144 Quaker Lane South West Hartford, CT.

Oscar Lipscomb (Atlanta) allows his priests to celebrate Rainbow masses every Sunday at 8:30 and 11:30 a.m. at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (a Catholic church), 48 Martin Luther King Boulevard, Atlanta, GA.

Adam Maida (Detroit) allows his priests to celebrate Rainbow Masses every Sunday at 6:00 p.m. in the Sacred Heart Chapel at Margrove College, which is a Catholic college.

Note that each of these bishops is in direct violation of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's 1986 pastoral letter, Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, which reads in pertinent as follows:
All support should be withdrawn from any organizations which seek to undermine the teaching of the Church, which are ambiguous about it, or which neglect it entirely. Such support, or even the semblance of such support, can be gravely misinterpreted. Special attention should be given to the practice of scheduling religious services and to the use of Church buildings by these groups, including the facilities of Catholic schools and colleges.
GROUP B: BISHOPS WITH NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED "GAY-FRIENDLY" PARISHES As per St. Bernadette's Directory of Gay-Friendly Parishes:
John Vlazny (Portland) has no less than five nationally recognized gay-friendly parishes:
Koinonia Catholic Community - Portland
St. Andrew's - Portland
St. Philip Neri - Portland
St. Vincent de Paul - Portland
University of Portland - Portland
GROUP C: BISHOPS NOT KNOWN AS "GAY FRIENDLY" BUT WHO DO NOT SUPPORT COURAGE:
James Keleher (Kansas City)
Robert Morlino (Helena)
GROUP D: BISHOPS WHO SUPPORT COURAGE AND ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS "GAY FRIENDLY".
As per Courage:
Raymond Burke (LaCrosse)
Daniel DiNardo (Sioux City)

44 posted on 08/08/2002 8:26:09 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: american colleen
In an ideal world, the very few brave hearts within the clergy will rise to the top and be the leaders and spokesmen in any reform movement against corruption. The fence sitters will follow their lead and the evil ones will continue their destruction from within.

Who knows if this is the time?

45 posted on 08/08/2002 8:28:08 AM PDT by Sock
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To: NYer
The fact that the letter was leaked to Crisis gives me reason to hope that these bishops are OK. Nevertheless --

I would like to have someone explain to me why a plenary council is necessary simply to affirm fidelity to the Magisterium.

What are the powers of a plenary council? Despite the best wishes of those calling for it, what's our guarantee that it won't be hijacked and creatively interpreted by radicals, transformed into a "Declaration of Independence" for AmChurch?

46 posted on 08/08/2002 8:36:28 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: american colleen
From this Crisis article:
CNS was unable to reach any of the eight for comment Aug. 6.

One of the recipients, Archbishop Thomas C. Kelly of Louisville, Ky., said he was not convinced that the bishops should call a plenary council at this time, "but I'm very willing to listen to the arguments in a debate over this."

So apparently before a Plenary Council can be called there has to be some sort of national debate.
47 posted on 08/08/2002 8:37:39 AM PDT by cebadams
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To: eastsider
Very interesting. Thanks for the research.
48 posted on 08/08/2002 8:43:47 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Catholicguy
serpents

THOSE we can name. Some have provided training in serpent-ism. Check the "liturgy club" in D.C. and other spots.

49 posted on 08/08/2002 8:44:30 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: ninenot
LOl I meant as in to be gentle as doves and wise as serpents :)
51 posted on 08/08/2002 8:57:04 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: eastsider
I've wandered all through the Courage web site and I can't find any specific references to your Group D: BISHOPS WHO SUPPORT COURAGE AND ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS "GAY FRIENDLY". How did you arrive at the list you posted?
52 posted on 08/08/2002 8:57:25 AM PDT by cebadams
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To: Romulus
What are the powers of a plenary council? Despite the best wishes of those calling for it, what's our guarantee that it won't be hijacked and creatively interpreted by radicals, transformed into a "Declaration of Independence" for AmChurch?

If that is the reality of the situation, then, by all means, make them declare it and let us end the charade.

53 posted on 08/08/2002 8:59:17 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: NYer
"For the ten year period ending in December, 1997, John Vlazny was bishop of Winona, a small diocese in rural Minnesota. "

South of the Twin Cities I think and near the Mississippi if I recall correctly...isn't there a schismatic seminary there?
54 posted on 08/08/2002 9:04:43 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Romulus
What are the powers of a plenary council?

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia -

III. A plenary or national council may not be convoked or celebrated without the authority of the Apostolic See, as was solemnly and repeatedly declared by Pius IX (Coll. Lacens., V, 995, 1336). This has always been the practice in the Church, if not explicitly, at least from the fact that recourse could always be had to the Holy See against decisions of such councils. Now, however, express and special papal authorization is required. He who presides over the council must have the necessary jurisdiction, which is accorded by special Apostolic delegation. In the United States, the presidency of such synods has always been accorded by the Holy See to the archbishops of Baltimore. In their case, a papal delegation is necessary, for although they have a precedence of honour over all the other American metropolitans, yet they have no primatial or patriarchal jurisdiction. It is not uncommon for the pope to send from Rome a special delegate to preside over plenary councils.

Plenary Council

55 posted on 08/08/2002 9:04:49 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
"Bishop DiNardo - nothing"

Problems in the Catholic HSing community with this guy and the sex ed stuff...families pulling out of the parochial system because of it.
56 posted on 08/08/2002 9:07:20 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: cebadams
I provided a link to the Courage page for United States chapters. Courage will list chapters on their website only if they are approved by the local ordinaries. If you look under Iowa, you will find a chapter in Iowa City, which is in the Diocese of the Sioux City; and if you look under Wisconsin, you will find a chapter in LaCrosse.
57 posted on 08/08/2002 9:21:13 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
Wow, this bunch are planning to use the Delphi technique I bet!
58 posted on 08/08/2002 9:23:33 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: cebadams
I should add also that there are neither Dignity chapters nor nationally recognized "gay friendly" parishes in the two bishops' dioceses.
59 posted on 08/08/2002 9:23:44 AM PDT by eastsider
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Thanks! Baltimore, huh?

I can easily imagine an American council backfiring. Apart from radicals on the inside trying to control the agenda, you can't begin the imagine the spin that would be forthcoming from the secular media: giving platforms to dissident groups, thoughtfully "pondering" the question of out-of-control heterodoxy, publicising and ginning up demands to put this or that question on the table, subtly pressuring the hierarchy to get with it.

Of course this spin could be resisted by running the council along strict lines laid down by an Apostolic Delegate of unquestionable orthodoxy, but that would only provoke a new spin that the council was "rigid", closed to new ideas, undemocratic...you know the drill.

If it came to that, would the people throw in with Rome or with their pastors? A council could provoke a split in the church that'd make this summer's storms seem like a day at the beach. I'd like to see a lot more about why nothing but a council will do before feeling sanguine about it.
60 posted on 08/08/2002 9:31:40 AM PDT by Romulus
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