[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

And yet, does it not seem cruel to create a being destined for eternal torment without chance of salvation? Is it cruel for God?

God did not create anyone destined for eternal torment without chance of salvation? We all have a chance at salvation. We all have a choice. Is it cruel to give your children rules with a clear understanding of what will happen if they don't follow the rules.

Becky

[RnMomof7]

God did not create anyone destined for eternal torment without chance of salvation? We all have a chance at salvation. We all have a choice. Is it cruel to give your children rules with a clear understanding of what will happen if they don't follow the rules.

Becky just two points.

First you are talking about YOUR children.Second ..all mankind are NOT God's children

God has made a way for HIS children..

[Pistias]

Not at all, but you haven't been following the conversation, Becki. I'm exploring the ramifications of the idea that man as man is basically unable to reach for God in any way, and that the only way we can reach salvation is through His direct Grace, which is given out without regard to the state of the being to whom it is given.