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To: Pistias
The fact that one is doomed is a travesty of cruelty, if they have no chance to avoid it.

How is it a travesty of cruelty that they can't avoid what they deserve?

How is making a creature you know is faulty and then allowing it to propogate so that you can make them all suffer eternally "just?"

But Adam wasn't faulty. "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." Adam chose on his own to follow Eve into sin, not because God forced him to. As with human sin today, it was God's will to allow it, but He did not cause it. Adam caused it.

The fact that a person is predisposed to evil doesn't make him less culpable. He is predisposed to it because he loves it, and the fact that he loves evil is exactly why he is damned.

43 posted on 07/28/2002 7:54:04 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
they can't avoid what they deserve?

Because they can be offered the opportunity to avoid it, and are not.

46 posted on 07/28/2002 8:11:55 PM PDT by Pistias
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To: A.J.Armitage
I have read some CS Lewis, Paradise lost, and went to catholic school. So, I have some (not absolute knowledge) about the fall of man. I just wanted your opinion on this here.

God created all his rational beings; angels, men, women, etc. originally perfect but with free will. Therefore, if his beings decided on their own accord to step out of good he allowed it to happen 1) because, as a post noted, love must be chosen with free will 2) He would make a "greater good" happen ie "the happy fall".

Satan is eternally damned to hell, the absence of God, because he knew all this and still rejected Him because of his desire for power.

The race of men on the other hand did not do this knowingly but was tricked. Eve tricked because of a "why not" attitude and Adam because he could not stand to leave without Eve. They did not know what they were doing. So God has mercy on us.

God came down and sacrificed himself not as a last ditch effort but rather to express his true love for us. God, in the form of man, was able to do what man was incapable of doing on his own: original good.

Let me know what you think about this. You obviousely are well studied in this subject
99 posted on 07/29/2002 10:17:46 AM PDT by Festa
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