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To: xzins
In the classic pattern of Hebrew parallism, John is clearly emphasizing and clarifying his previous statement in John 1:12 when he says in v. 13, " who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. " in a parenthetical statement.

The clear meaning of the statement about our spiritual birth is: Its not by inheritance (as the Jews were fond of thinking), its not due to our own efforts (as everyone is fond of thinking), nor is it even due to our own will (as everyone is ESPECIALLY fond of thinking...) its due to God.

Jesus saves.

Any modification of that foundational thought is a compromise of the Gospel itself.

211 posted on 07/29/2002 3:48:17 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
Well, God is the author of the rebirth through His power and Jesus does save. We agree on these things.

We disagree on the order. We disagree because our theological frameworks disagree (calvinism vs wesley-arminianism.)

But the w-a position is also the biblical position.

214 posted on 07/29/2002 3:57:55 PM PDT by xzins
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