[Polycarp]

The Calvinists on this forum view RnMom's spiritual growth as proof that God's plan cannot be thwarted by man's fumbling through incorrect doctrine.

Call it what you like. Calvinists have been deceived by a new false gospel. See Theresa's posts.

John 6 called it what it is: "This saying is hard. Who can bear it? . . . And they walked with Him no more."

I.e., a small part of the great falling away.

[RnMomof7]

Poly you once told me that if Euchuarist was not true you would become an athesist

That made me pity you Poly. You have a faith built on shifting sands

And that is a hard saying

You constantly misread that scripture and your ENTIRE faith in God rests on it

The Hard saying was really election and predestination

And that is too hard for you..so you will walk away

    Jhn 6:42   And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

They were amazed at the teaching of a ordinary man ..the son of questionable parentage claiming the status of God (Yes they understood He was talking about the manna that fed their ancestors)   

  Jhn 6:43   Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.

Now here He teaches election to them..

     Jhn 6:44   No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
     Jhn 6:45   It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
     Jhn 6:46   Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.   
  Jhn 6:47   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
     Jhn 6:48   I am that bread of life.

And here He states it again..He is the manna in the desert. He was telling them He was God

They knew the "I am" and they knew the manna was from heaven

And now he told them that NO man can just decide to come..the father sends them

And then He teaches that again

     Jhn 6:61   When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?   
  Jhn 6:62   [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Jhn 6:63   It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
But there are some of you that believe not.

For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

     Jhn 6:65   And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Poly THEN and only then did they walk away..They like you reject the election of the God of creation

     Jhn 6:66   From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

It is of some interest that the verse is 666 the number of man "And ye shall be as gods"