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Why I am a Calvinist
http://www.apuritansmind.com/TULIP/WhyIAmACalvinist.htm ^ | 7/27/02 | C. Matthew McMahon

Posted on 07/27/2002 8:46:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7

Why I am a Calvinist

by C. Matthew McMahon

    There are a variety of theological persuasions in the world. One might say there are too many of them. We may go through denomination after denomination and find a great variety of beliefs and doctrines concerning things about God, things about Christ, things about man and so on. Yet these ideologies are but ripples from the great stone of the Gospel which was plunged into the lake of humanity.

    All theological persuasions are not perfect. It is impossible that any theological system of doctrine be perfect for if it was perfect it would be the Scriptures themselves; for only the Word of God is inerrant, or without error. Man has undertaken the task, as commanded by God (2 Tim. 2:15), to understand God’s Word in spite of his lack of ability to understand it perfectly. He strives to apprehend what he can because a good theologian knows he cannot comprehend (or understand totally) everything about the Scriptures. But that gives us no excuse not to try.

    In the endeavor to ascertain right doctrine, various systems have come up throughout church history. There have been the Arians, the Socinians, the Gnostics, the Roman Catholics, the Epicureans, the Docetics, the Pelagians, the Mormons, the Arminians, the Manicheans and so on. These though, should not be considered to be a true systems of right doctrine since each of them denies a major tenant of the Christian religion. One denies the deity of Christ, where another denies the humanity. One says heaven is attained by knowledge alone, another denies that people are sinners. One says God is not sovereign, and another says man is the measure of all things. One says man is God, and another says God is not all powerful. These systems of doctrines are clearly false. They remove or exalt a particular essential attribute, or many essential attributes of Christianity, not to mention adding many things which the Scriptures never teach. So it would rightly be said that they are systems, but it would also be equally fair to say that they are wrong systems.   

  So what is the right system of doctrine? From study, contemplation, and meditation and upon the Word of God, from assessing church history and the movements contained therein, from hearing hundred of speakers on varying subjects, and listening to a plethora of viewpoints on every aspect of the Bible, I rest upon the system of doctrine called "Calvinism."     It is unfortunate for Calvinism that it is called Calvinism. Charles Spurgeon rightly stated that "Calvinism is nothing more than a nickname for Biblical Christianity." He was right. The name is often a warrant for despisement though. People say because we follow a man named Calvin, we are not following God. Does not Paul say in 1 Cor. 1:12, "Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or I am of Christ." is Christ divided?" Paul is right. We are not to follow after men. We are to follow after God for sectarianism is a sin rebuked by the 1st chapter of 1 Corinthians. But do Calvinists really follow Calvin? No. It is actually wrong to call Calvinists "Calvinist" because they are doing nothing other than using the same body of doctrine that Calvin used, who in turn copied Augustine, who in turn copied the church fathers and they, who in turn, followed Christ and the Apostles. The early church fathers, who lived between 95 AD and 200 AD are just as much Calvinists, for understanding grace, as Augustine was a Calvinist, and as John Calvin was a Calvinist. Calvinism is nothing more than a label to show what view one holds upon the Scriptures, not upon a certain man. Someone may say, "That is not true. If you are a Calvinist, then you follow the teachings of Calvin and his interpretation of the Bible." Let us see if this is a worthy set of propositions. Because at the outset, they prove of necessity, nothing of the kind.

    When I was 21, I had finished 2 years of Bible college. I went to an Arminian School, learned Arminian doctrine, and read Arminian books. I had no previous learning in religion until I attended that school, so I was indoctrinated in that theology without ever knowing whether it was true or false. In my naïveté I believed what I was taught (Surely not to question doctrine was my own mistake, but being indoctrinated in that way helped me to understand more about what I believe now. So it was the providence of God which kept me in my sin of false doctrine for a time.) Not too long after my second year, a friend of mine, who believed the doctrines of grace Calvinist began to challenge me on many of my "biblical" doctrines. I had a well rounded handle on the doctrine I possessed and propagated it thoroughly among my friends at school. But when this young man challenged me as he did, I was not able to refute him. The reason I was not able to refute his arguments had nothing to do with not understanding my own doctrine, for I did. But he came at me with something I did not expect; the Bible. He proposed a whole new system of doctrine which ran completely contrary to my own beliefs. My understanding of sin was so unbiblical that when he told me to read Romans 3:10-18, I was taken back by Paul’s poignant words. I was challenged by the very book I thought I understood. My views of man, Christ, God, salvation, sin, sovereignty, the will, and others were so warped and twisted that my young friend didn’t even need to rebuke me, for the Scriptures were doing it quite well. I had understood doctrine, it was just not the doctrine of the Bible.

    So over the next summer, because of that day and that particular challenge of my friend, I devoted my time to reading through the entire Bible and endeavor to take it as it stood rather than what I wanted to read into it. My prayer was that the Lord would teach me His word by the power of the Holy Spirit so that I would know what it said rather than what I wanted it to say. After three months my views on man, Christ, God, sin, salvation and the like were radically transformed. (you would be amazed at what the Spirit of God will do with such a prayer and a simple reading of the Bible.) The point is this, my theology came out Calvinist without ever knowing what Calvinism was. I had not known what Calvin taught or that he was even a person. But my theology reflected nonetheless. The study of the Word of God transformed me. The Scriptures taught me, instead of me trying to teach it. So we see that being a Calvinist is not following after one man, but submitting under the authority of the Bible.

    Why would someone want to be a Calvinist? Calvinism is not adherence to a person, but to a set of beliefs which are rightly in accord with the Bible. People who want to be right in their understanding of the doctrines of the Bible, adhere to Calvinism. Calvinism is not perfect. It is a system of doctrine worked over and over by countless men since the time of Christ. It will never be perfect because it is not inspired by God. So why should we believe Calvinism over and above other systems of doctrines? Because if we were to determine what system of doctrine hits closest to the bulls-eye of the Scriptures, Calvinism would be the first outer ring. Any system of doctrine which does serious damage to the doctrines of man, Christ, God, sin and salvation, cannot be considered worthy of our attention as Christians. And there is no system of doctrine which covers all these so Biblically as Calvinism.

    What does Calvinism teach? Calvinism can be divided up into hundreds of points. There are a variety of propositions and ideas which are woven into the fabric of Calvinism. But if we were to concisely describe the simplistic form of Calvinism, we would look at the acronym T.U.L.I.P.: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace and Perseverance of the Saints.

    The first doctrine of grace is Total Depravity.  Total depravity keeps us humble. It states that man is totally and completely a sinner; heart, soul, mind and body, who can do no righteous deed. The image of God is so marred and twisted by the fall of Adam that every person who is conceived is at that point at enmity with God. They are enemies of God, they hate God, and they would even kill God if he showed up in their living room. As a matter of fact, when the Lord Jesus Christ came down to earth, they killed him.

Total Depravity is proven by both the Old and New Testaments: Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18. After one understands that he is a sinner who cannot by his own power come to faith, and that he has lost everything which would enable him to come to Christ because of the Fall and of his sin, then he comes to see Unconditional Election (Second doctrine). Man, being sinful cannot choose to follow God because he hates God. So God must remove the heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh. God chooses man. He unconditionally, not based upon anything a man can do which is good or evil, elects people to everlasting life. Its God’s job to save, and our job to praise Him for saving us. The Scriptures shows this doctrine emphatically: Malachi 1:2; Romans 8:29; Romans 9:1ff; Ephesians 1:3ff.

    How does God save us? Yes, He elects us, but what is the basis for our election? It is not our work, but Christ’s work. God sends His Son to die for everyone whom He elects. The Son pays the price, and the debt is removed. When Jesus dies on the cross He secures salvation for everyone He dies for. And the work of Christ’s death and resurrection is transferred at that time to the account of all those who will be saved through Him. Jesus comes to die for God’s chosen people, His treasured possession. In this way the atonement is limited in scope but not in power (Third Doctrine).   The Scriptures teach us this doctrine as well; Isaiah 53:1ff; Matthew 1:21; John 10:1ff; Acts 20:28; Ephesians 5:25.

    The fourth doctrine of grace, or Calvinistic doctrine, is Irresistible Grace. If Jesus dies for the elect, and God unconditionally elects all those depraved people whom He calls His own, the regenerating power of the Spirit of God will not fail. Regeneration is where the Spirit changes the old heart of stone to a beating heart of flesh. And He does this prior to our faith. We believe on Christ after our sinful depraved souls are given the new capability to believe through the renewing power of God’s Spirit. His grace is then called irresistible, not because we believe against our will kicking and screaming, but our hearts are inclined to believe, so we love to believe and we go to Christ willingly. The Scriptures show us this in Psalms 51:10; 110:3; Jer. 31:33ff; John 3:2ff; Romans 2:29; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 1:29; and 2:13.

    The last main point of God’s grace seen so vividly in the doctrines of Calvinism is Perseverance of the Saints. All who are redeemed from their depraved states, all whom Christ came to ransom from death and pay the price to redeem from God’s wrath, all whom the Spirit irresistible touches with His grace, and all those who are unconditionally elected to eternal life will persevere to the end. They will sin, yes. But they will never fall away from grace. This does not give us a license to sin, for those who are truly changed are changed and have a new desire and new nature which releases them from the that the old depraved nature had on them. These saints persevere because God continually upholds them through the grace of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit. They are God’s temples, His residing place. God dwells in the spirit of a man’s renewed heart. This, in and of itself, is an amazing thing!! And does the Scripture show us this doctrine? More than we could imagine: Phil. 1:6; Romans 8:30; John 10:28-29; John 17:2, 6, 9, 24; 1 Thess. 5:23.

    What doctrines am I rejecting as a Calvinist? I am rejecting everything that "changes the truth of God for a lie, and denies Jesus Christ as our only Sovereign and Lord (Jude 4)." I am rejecting anything which would rise up and call itself a Gospel which is no gospel at all. I reject anything which exalts man to a place and position where he ought not to be, and decreases the grace of Christ. I reject anything which makes God a cosmic bell-hop tending to the commands and demands of sinful men as another gospel.

I reject anything which removes God’s sovereignty to place man as the Sovereign as another gospel. I reject anything which denies the sovereign decrees of God and His electing grace to put salvation into the hands of sinful men as another gospel. I reject anything which denies man’s total depravity and exalts his fictitious free will as another gospel. I reject anything which places the perseverance of man to glory in the incapable hands of a sinful man as another gospel.

I reject anything which endeavors to treat God as the great Grandfather in the sky beckoning and pleading with man to be saved as changing the true God into a pitiable wimp. This is another Gospel. I reject anything which denies the atonement of Christ for what it is; a substitutionary atonement on behalf of the elect. If we deny this, we deny the Gospel. I reject anything which makes the cross less than definite salvation for the elect, as another Gospel. I reject anything which is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ as it is preached by Christ in His Word. It is to these Calvinistic doctrines and teachings which all Biblical Christians hold. It is these Calvinistic doctrines of grace which wild horses could in no way drag from me. Especially the wonderful doctrine of Christ’s atonement for His people. And what does Paul say about those who preach, teach, and believe another Gospel? Galatians 1:8 is emphatic, "If we, or an angel from heaven, preach to you any other Gospel than what we have preached, let him be anathema, (or accursed.)" They are not slapped on the wrist and sent to their heavenly rooms. They are cast into the deepest, darkest, hottest section of hell for perverting the truth of God’s Word. We see that the Gospel is something to contend about, and is something we need to be right about.

    When I was 21, I had a form of godliness but I denied its power. I had a system of doctrine which denied Jesus as the only Sovereign and Lord. Yet, God in His mercy forgave that heinous sin of wrong belief. He allowed the scales to fall from my eyes. He allowed me, if you will, to be "born again, again." My mind has been renewed and my life transformed by these doctrines of grace. It is absolutely true what Spurgeon said, that Calvinism is nothing other than a nickname for Biblical Christianity. And until a person understands these doctrines, his walk with God will be a superficial walk. The doctrines of God’s grace, which are the doctrines of Calvinism, plunge us deep within the fountain of God’s mercy and power. Without understanding God’s election of depraved people, how can anyone understand what grace is really about?—they can’t.

Why am I a Calvinist? Because God will not allow me to be anything else. He has opened my eyes to depth beyond my wildest aspirations. He continues to humble me, the rebellious sinner, before His awesome majesty and power. May it be that all of God’s people would be humbled by His grace.

 


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To: drstevej
Of course - for as well as bestowing the free gift of faith, it is God's grace that enables His sons to perform meritorious good works - Christ has merited our ability to merit.
81 posted on 07/28/2002 5:13:49 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: RnMomof7
I do not believe that Calvin formed a church. He was a theologian . He studied and wrote. His work influenced the reformation and John Knox

Thank you R7 now it helps me to understand why the religions of the same name is Free or Reform. I think I got it. I don't think in the 50-60's they had such debates over this as now. I think in some ways there was more love and unity towards one another.

But the oppostition stir things up and today in stead of finding things that bind us, we spend time findings things that divide us, and devils laughts!

82 posted on 07/28/2002 5:20:44 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Tantumergo
"A man cannot have salvation, except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church he can have everything except salvation.

And Illbay the Mormon says I can't have it unless I join his temple.

What is a church made up of? Is it Christ alone? Or is it a group of people? In your case and in Illbay's case it's that and a bunch of opinions of men that you want me to believe over the revealed word of God who teaches me Himself. You both want me to embrace the traditions of men and leave the traditions of God. You both would have me throw out the revealed and holy Word for the writings of theologians and prophets who do not fit the strict guidelines for prophets revealed to me by God. You both want me to be in awe of your big edifaces and your wealth. You want to bring a pantheon of semi-deities of gods and goddesses before me and have me bow down to them, kiss their rings in some instances. God has told me what He'll do to me the day that I do, and it's not pretty. Illbay wants me to learn the rules of tithing before he will agree to baptize me. And on and on. All this idea of religion is manmade. You hold it up and it makes you proud as a papa, like you have done it all yourselves, which you have. You thus worship yourselves, not God. He said all he wanted was the tabernacle not made with human hands for His abode. Hint: You will find it in the desert eating bread and Tishbite stew. Shalom my friend.

83 posted on 07/28/2002 5:26:59 PM PDT by JesseShurun
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To: JesseShurun; Jerry_M; OrthodoxPresbyterian; the_doc; Matchett-PI; DittoJed2; Jean Chauvin; ...
Where does faith come from? Is it generated by man?

Faith is a gift of God is it not?

Rom 12:3   For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Eph 6:23   Peace [be] to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hbr 12:2   Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The ability to believe in faith is a gift of God

Phl 1:29   For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It is a gift of the Holy Spirit

1Cr 12:9   To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

Believing is an act of God

Act 11:21   And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.

1Cr 2:5   That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Jesse Abraham was elect of God. Not based on his own merits..he was elected by the good pleasure of God. The faith that Abramn was not the cause of His election..His election was the cause of his faith

Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

84 posted on 07/28/2002 5:27:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Tantumergo
As a former Calvinist who has now come home to the one true Church, I find it reprehensible that you should denigrate one of our greatest Doctors by accusing Saint Augustine of providing the bases for Calvin's heresies.

You may have known the doctrines of Calvin...that would make you a Calvinist in name..

85 posted on 07/28/2002 5:28:54 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Codie
You know codie I thank God that I am out from under that law..Thank you Jesus!
86 posted on 07/28/2002 5:30:37 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Polycarp
Salvation is not of tradition of men..it is not a building or a pope ..salvation is not a piece of bread

Salvation is a mighty work of the grace of God..

I hope you are pleading as hard to have the gospel preached to the heathans ...many of your number think they are fine prayer partners.....that shows a total lack of discernment.

87 posted on 07/28/2002 5:34:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Polycarp
I'm saying any believer has a better chance of final perseverance and eternal salvation in Christ's Church than a Church where only part of the Gospel is preached, admixed to varying degrees with grave error.

tell the pope

88 posted on 07/28/2002 5:35:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Bored?
89 posted on 07/28/2002 5:38:48 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Polycarp; drstevej
I know Steve is heaven bound..He has done exactly what the scripture demands..Repent and believe

No extras..plain and simple

pity the man that thinks there is salvation in rules and regulations...that is how he will be judged..and he will be lost because of it because no man can keep any law perfectly except Christ

I mourn for my lost family...they tried so hard...but no man earns heaven

90 posted on 07/28/2002 5:40:53 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Wrigley
"It is almost finished, but you might have to do some time in purgatory to seal the deal?"

thats ok xzins thinks it's only almost finished too..

91 posted on 07/28/2002 5:42:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: JesseShurun
You are correct !Salvation IS Christ alone..

There are going to be alot of people crying "Lord, Lord ..didn't we do this and that? You know us..

And Jesus will say I NEVER knew you

Salvation by works is not the plan that God laid before the foundation of the earth..His plan was Christ and the cross.....

The gospel went forth

Repent and believe

92 posted on 07/28/2002 5:48:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Codie
Bored?

A bit..I am tired of telling people there is no salvation outside of Jesus Christ codie....

Men are proud..they want to do it themselves...to bad they will pay the price for that alone in the pit

93 posted on 07/28/2002 5:51:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Codie
But your own church fathers and the ancient martyrs are all repudiated by Rome's present refusal to evangelize Jews, to kiss the Koran, to pray with the Dalai Lama and with the animists, to receive the blessings of Shiva, to participate in most any religious practice.

So your pope does not practice what your church fathers teach. What use are your ancient authorities when you disregard them entirely. You can't use them to demand exclusive salvation within the Roman church and yet pretend that followers of false religions may be saved through works and adherence to natural law.

Either the ancient church fathers were wrong or the present day practices of the church of Rome is wrong. The two are demonstrably not the same church in their most basic doctrine.
94 posted on 07/28/2002 6:14:13 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I'll stand on the teachings of the Fathers.


Clement of Alexandria

"[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? ‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’ [Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]" (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]).



Tertullian

"For though you think that heaven is still shut up, remember that the Lord left the keys of it to Peter here, and through him to the Church, which keys everyone will carry with him if he has been questioned and made a confession [of faith]" (Antidote Against the Scorpion 10 [A.D. 211]).

"[T]he Lord said to Peter, ‘On this rock I will build my Church, I have given you the keys of the kingdom of heaven [and] whatever you shall have bound or loosed on earth will be bound or loosed in heaven’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. . . . Upon you, he says, I will build my Church; and I will give to you the keys, not to the Church; and whatever you shall have bound or you shall have loosed, not what they shall have bound or they shall have loosed" (Modesty 21:9–10 [A.D. 220]).



The Letter of Clement to James

"Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed; the called, and elect" (Letter of Clement to James 2 [A.D. 221]).



Origen

"[I]f we were to attend carefully to the Gospels, we should also find, in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter . . . a great difference and a preeminence in the things [Jesus] said to Peter, compared with the second class [of apostles]. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in [all] the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens" (Commentary on Matthew 13:31 [A.D. 248]).



Cyprian of Carthage

"The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.’ . . . On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all [the apostles] are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; 1st edition [A.D. 251]).



Cyril of Jerusalem

"The Lord is loving toward men, swift to pardon but slow to punish. Let no man despair of his own salvation. Peter, the first and foremost of the apostles, denied the Lord three times before a little servant girl, but he repented and wept bitterly" (Catechetical Lectures 2:19 [A.D. 350]).

"[Simon Magus] so deceived the city of Rome that Claudius erected a statue of him. . . . While the error was extending itself, Peter and Paul arrived, a noble pair and the rulers of the Church, and they set the error aright. . . . [T]hey launched the weapon of their like-mindedness in prayer against the Magus, and struck him down to earth. It was marvelous enough, and yet no marvel at all, for Peter was there—he that carries about the keys of heaven [Matt. 16:19]" (ibid., 6:14).

"In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis [Acts 9:32–34]" (ibid., 17:27).



Ephraim the Syrian

"[Jesus said:] Simon, my follower, I have made you the foundation of the holy Church. I betimes called you Peter, because you will support all its buildings. You are the inspector of those who will build on Earth a Church for me. If they should wish to build what is false, you, the foundation, will condemn them. You are the head of the fountain from which my teaching flows; you are the chief of my disciples. Through you I will give drink to all peoples. Yours is that life-giving sweetness which I dispense. I have chosen you to be, as it were, the firstborn in my institution so that, as the heir, you may be executor of my treasures. I have given you the keys of my kingdom. Behold, I have given you authority over all my treasures" (Homilies 4:1 [A.D. 351]).



Ambrose of Milan

"[Christ] made answer: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church. . . .’ Could he not, then, strengthen the faith of the man to whom, acting on his own authority, he gave the kingdom, whom he called the rock, thereby declaring him to be the foundation of the Church [Matt. 16:18]?" (The Faith 4:5 [A.D. 379]).



Pope Damasus I

"Likewise it is decreed . . . that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18–19]. The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).



Jerome

"‘But,’ you [Jovinian] will say, ‘it was on Peter that the Church was founded’ [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division" (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).

"Simon Peter, the son of John, from the village of Bethsaida in the province of Galilee, brother of Andrew the apostle, and himself chief of the apostles, after having been bishop of the church of Antioch and having preached to the Dispersion . . . pushed on to Rome in the second year of Claudius to overthrow Simon Magus, and held the sacerdotal chair there for twenty-five years until the last, that is the fourteenth, year of Nero. At his hands he received the crown of martyrdom being nailed to the cross with his head towards the ground and his feet raised on high, asserting that he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner as his Lord" (Lives of Illustrious Men 1 [A.D. 396]).



Pope Innocent I

"In seeking the things of God . . . you have acknowledged that judgment is to be referred to us [the pope], and have shown that you know that is owed to the Apostolic See [Rome], if all of us placed in this position are to desire to follow the apostle himself [Peter] from whom the episcopate itself and the total authority of this name have emerged" (Letters 29:1 [A.D. 408]).



Augustine

"Among these [apostles] Peter alone almost everywhere deserved to represent the whole Church. Because of that representation of the Church, which only he bore, he deserved to hear ‘I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven’" (Sermons 295:2 [A.D. 411]).

"Some things are said which seem to relate especially to the apostle Peter, and yet are not clear in their meaning unless referred to the Church, which he is acknowledged to have represented in a figure on account of the primacy which he bore among the disciples. Such is ‘I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,’ and other similar passages. In the same way, Judas represents those Jews who were Christ’s enemies" (Commentary on Psalm 108 1 [A.D. 415]).

"Who is ignorant that the first of the apostles is the most blessed Peter?" (Commentary on John 56:1 [A.D. 416]).



Council of Ephesus

"Philip, presbyter and legate of [Pope Celestine I] said: ‘We offer our thanks to the holy and venerable synod, that when the writings of our holy and blessed pope had been read to you . . . you joined yourselves to the holy head also by your holy acclamations. For your blessednesses is not ignorant that the head of the whole faith, the head of the apostles, is blessed Peter the apostle’" (Acts of the Council, session 2 [A.D. 431]).

"Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome] said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’" (ibid., session 3).



Pope Leo I

"Our Lord Jesus Christ . . . has placed the principal charge on the blessed Peter, chief of all the apostles, and from him as from the head wishes his gifts to flow to all the body, so that anyone who dares to secede from Peter’s solid rock may understand that he has no part or lot in the divine mystery. He wished him who had been received into partnership in his undivided unity to be named what he himself was, when he said: ‘You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church’ [Matt. 16:18], that the building of the eternal temple might rest on Peter’s solid rock, strengthening his Church so surely that neither could human rashness assail it nor the gates of hell prevail against it" (Letters 10:1 [A.D. 445).

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"Our Lord Jesus Christ . . . established the worship belonging to the divine [Christian] religion. . . . But the Lord desired that the sacrament of this gift should pertain to all the apostles in such a way that it might be found principally in the most blessed Peter, the highest of all the apostles. And he wanted his gifts to flow into the entire body from Peter himself, as if from the head, in such a way that anyone who had dared to separate himself from the solidarity of Peter would realize that he was himself no longer a sharer in the divine mystery" (ibid., 10:2–3).

"Although bishops have a common dignity, they are not all of the same rank. Even among the most blessed apostles, though they were alike in honor, there was a certain distinction of power. All were equal in being chosen, but it was given to one to be preeminent over the others. . . . [So today through the bishops] the care of the universal Church would converge in the one See of Peter, and nothing should ever be at odds with this head" (ibid., 14:11).
95 posted on 07/28/2002 6:28:00 PM PDT by Codie
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To: JesseShurun
What is a church made up of? Is it Christ alone? Or is it a group of people? In your case and in Illbay's case it's that and a bunch of opinions of men that you want me to believe over the revealed word of God who teaches me Himself.


I can't speak for Illbay, but Christ's Church is made up of Him as the Head and we who are His covenant family. I don't know what you consider to be the revealed word of God, but we consider Christ to be the revealed word of God. If you mean the Old Testament then you received that from the religion of Israel - if you mean the New Testament then you received that from that horrible religion which is the Catholic Church.

You both want me to embrace the traditions of men and leave the traditions of God.

I don't think I've ever asked you or anyone else to embrace the traditions of men - but I would ask you to embrace Christ on His terms and not yours!

You both would have me throw out the revealed and holy Word...

No - I would have you know the Holy Word...

You both want me to be in awe of your big edifaces and your wealth.

The Catholic Church may be wealthy in your country, but in mine She has only been "legal" for about 150 years because men thought that they could have God for their Father without His bride as their Mother. I would rather you keep your awe for God and the magnitude of His love for YOU - that love which is prepared to go to the length of becoming present under the appearance of bread and wine so that you may eat His flesh, drink His blood and receive his very own life and nature in you.

You want to bring a pantheon of semi-deities of gods and goddesses before me and have me bow down to them, kiss their rings in some instances.

Can't do that - it would be breaking the first Commandment.

All this idea of religion is manmade.

Illbay's may be, but the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ - He said "On this rock I will build my CHURCH..." He did not say "In this book that fell out of Heaven unto thy ungrateful lap will I reveal myself to thee individually and personally in egotistcal isolation from all thy siblings..." - never wrote a word as far as I know.

He said all he wanted was the tabernacle not made with human hands for His abode.

You are quite right on this one - he wants your tabernacle to be baptised so He can tabernacle in you and make you a new creation in covenant with Him.

Pax
96 posted on 07/28/2002 6:30:56 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Codie
The usual tired list.

I note that you avoided the actual question: the dilemma between historical orthodox Christian belief of salvation only in Christ and the modern doctrine of Rome of salvation found everywhere.

It is not the Roman hierarchy who upholds Christian orthodoxy in this matter.

Now that Rome refuses to evangelize Jews because it considers them saved by a belief in a coming messiah, does that mean that Jesus shouldn't have recruited Jews as His disciples? Were the apostles, all Jews) wrong to convert to Christian belief and to die for it? If modern Rome is correct in its new theology, they were wrong to follow Christ.
97 posted on 07/28/2002 6:55:48 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RnMomof7
salvation is not a piece of bread

No Christ is our salvation and he has the incredible humility to come to us under the accidents of a piece of bread in order that we might have eternal life.

John 6:54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Do you think it is a coincidence that after this teaching that many disciples could not bear and left Him that Jesus identifies Judas as a devil? Was not Judas' loss of faith in Jesus initiated by the rejection of His doctrine of the Eucharist - the Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

St. Paul also sees this as a sin worthy of damnation:

1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

And of course he is writing to people who have at one point repented and believed, but he doesn't seem to see that to be sufficient to avoid judgement.
98 posted on 07/28/2002 7:20:46 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: George W. Bush
I note that you avoided the actual question: the dilemma between historical orthodox Christian belief of salvation only in Christ and the modern doctrine of Rome of salvation found everywhere

Pick up and read the CCC ,when you can find the time.

99 posted on 07/28/2002 7:28:33 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Codie
***What is the doctrine of "the middle state"?***

Is this something from Lord of the Rings? Better ask Corin.
100 posted on 07/28/2002 7:36:50 PM PDT by drstevej
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