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Now that is funny! xzins is over on another thread telling me I should pray and see if his words are true! Talk about a Mormon encounter.... Interesting. Am I to infer from this that Calvinists don't put much stock in prayer, even to the point of mocking those who believe in prayer as a source of answers?

Actually, I asked Woody to pray over the scriptures (over the bible) in question. And, yes, he did mock that.

There is a logical argument that can be made that calvinists do not think prayer can effectively change anything. There is a brand of calvinism that believes every single action/act in all of history is predetermined and initiated by God. In that regard, everything they could possibly pray for would have already been determined. In that view, prayer would be futile.

Actually, I asked Woody to pray over the scriptures (over the bible) in question. And, yes, he did mock that.

There is a logical argument that can be made that calvinists do not think prayer can effectively change anything

Why do you say that when you know it is not true?

It is actually Arminians that SHOULD NOT pray IF they are to be faithful to THEIR doctrine..

If you pray and God changed the person then YOU have interfered with that persons free will

So thus your prayer for a sinner in need of salvation would go like this

Heavenly Father I ask you to STAY AWAY " do not touch or move anything. Allow my loved one to use their free will without you interfering.

An Arminian can never pray for God to intervene in any situation because it is an afront to mans free will.

On the other hand Calvinists have NO PROBLEM asking God to act sovereignly and impact the will of man....We pray for that impact..WE want God to act..

And we know that God knowing all things in advance KNEW we were going to pray..Our prayer is a PART of His will and Plan..

So xzins..How is it you tell woody to "pray "over his bible ..but you do not pray to have God open your eyes to the truth of your conversion?

BTW Hope an intersting historical sidelight..Joseph Smith was a Methodist like xzins..the Methodists teach the "strangly warmed heart'.......I suspect that is where Joseph got his "burning breast " belief from.

There is a logical argument that can be made that calvinists do not think prayer can effectively change anything.

Sorry, dude, but you are the one who is teaching that man's 'free will' makes null and viod the promise of Jesus "that will I do" regarding prayers according the will of God. Have you figured out that by nullifying the Promises of God with free will you effectively strip nearly every Promise He ever made? Most likely not!