[Some hope remaining.]

Now that is funny! xzins is over on another thread telling me I should pray and see if his words are true! Talk about a Mormon encounter....

Interesting. Am I to infer from this that Calvinists don't put much stock in prayer, even to the point of mocking those who believe in prayer as a source of answers?

[xzins]

Now that is funny! xzins is over on another thread telling me I should pray and see if his words are true! Talk about a Mormon encounter.... Interesting. Am I to infer from this that Calvinists don't put much stock in prayer, even to the point of mocking those who believe in prayer as a source of answers?

Actually, I asked Woody to pray over the scriptures (over the bible) in question. And, yes, he did mock that.

There is a logical argument that can be made that calvinists do not think prayer can effectively change anything. There is a brand of calvinism that believes every single action/act in all of history is predetermined and initiated by God. In that regard, everything they could possibly pray for would have already been determined. In that view, prayer would be futile.

[CCWoody]

Interesting. Am I to infer from this that Calvinists don't put much stock in prayer, even to the point of mocking those who believe in prayer as a source of answers?

Tell you what. You find for me in the scriptures (Bible only) where it says that I should pray about the words of another man to see if they are true or not. Meanwhile, while you are vainly struggling to find that, I'll quote to directly from the word of God:

• Acts 17:11 ...and [the Bereans] searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

Now, I am well aware that you Mormons teach that one should mock God and call into question his Word by asking that we pray about it to see if it is true. But, when John was in prison and doubting the words concerning Christ that he had so boldly declared when he saw Him, Jesus did not tell John's disciples to believe His words; Jesus told John to believe the Scriptures:

• Matthew 11:2-5 And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples and said to Him, "Are you the Coming One, or do we look for another?"
  
  Jesus answerd and said to them, "Go and tell John the things which you hear and see; the blind recieve their sight and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them."

Now, did Jesus tell John to believe his words or did He even tell him to pray? He said tell him what you see and John will know the answer because he knows the TRUE scriptures. Jesus said essentially to John, "Does what is happening agree with the prophecies in Isa 61:1 and many others."

Unfortunately, you Mormons have replaced the true source of knowledge and truth in the Bible with secret wispers from your "prophets" and "heart burn".