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ftd, ftd, ftd! Melanchthon himself never stated the will played as big a role as the Holy Spirit and the Word! He was extremely insistent that it was by no means as big a part! Now, if you would have studied up on the issue -perhaps by reading Melanchthon himself- you would have known this! "Calvin had God changing the will with irresistable grace, not having that the will making a decision." Melanchthon held to nearly an identical position. Melanchthon -never- said "that the will [made] a decision"! Now, if you want to claim a connection with the reformation via the Phillipists -those who perverted the teachings of Melanchthon- by all means do so. However, these folks were roundly condemned by their contemporary orthodox Lutheran counterparts.

Keep living in your world of delusion. I think that you must be the only I have ever met that did not see Melanchthon as a synergist.

In a new revision of his Loci which appeared in 1548, two years after Luther's death adn in all subsequent editions, he traces conversion to three concurrent causes, the Spirit of God, the Word of God and the will of man and states the will may accept or reject God's grace ,copulationem causarum, Verbi dei, Spriritus Sancti, et voluntatis This is the chief passage that which was afterwards assailed as synergistic (Schaff,Vol 1 Creeds of Christiandom, p.263)

, now what part of that passage do not understand? Do you see the will being equal with the Spirit and the word in the Salvation event?

That is a direct quote from Melanchthon's work.

But as to Melanchthon. His difference with Calvin laid not in substance but in emphasis.

Not as he stated in that 1548 edition of his Loci but what Calvinist ever cared about facts.

The entire passage in Latin is in Schaff's work, and I do not have the time to write it out.

You have given nothing back that would even remotely suggest the historians are wrong. Not one fact, just a bunch of hot air!

"In a new revision of his Loci which appeared in 1548..."

", now what part of that passage do not understand? Do you see the will being equal with the Spirit and the word in the Salvation event?"

ftd, ftd, ftd! Again! the Loci is ~NOT~ where the controversy comes from. If you were able to read the entire quote of Melanchthon in context, one would note (perhaps -you- wouldn't) that Melanchthon was not talking about the initial act of conversion. He was discussing the life of the believer!!! (Does it make you think something that Luther never condemned Melanchthon's 'Common Places'????? -this quote is nearly identical to Loci published before Luther died)

(Hint: Can you tell me how Melanchthon defined conversion??????????)

In otherwords, Schaff is WRONG!!!

"You have given nothing back that would even remotely suggest the historians are wrong. Not one fact, just a bunch of hot air!"

Why would I need to? I'm still waiting for you to prove your case!! LOL!

Jean