Posted on 06/27/2002 9:54:14 PM PDT by Festa
Atheism is stupid---and has no foundation in science
"The only atheism is the denial of truth." Arthur Lynch
If one were to listen to the media, science and religion cannot go hand in hand. Science inevitably proves God cannot exist. Darwin and his crowd showed how life evolved from a simple organism into a complex series of rational animals which were able to organize themselves and think beyond anything else in the universe. But atheists and their elite allies have it all backwards: Science does not refute God, it proves God. Atheism is the stupid, unthinking and illogical way. God is logical, thinking, and makes sense. Lets prove it.
The foundation of all life is contained in microscopic detailed instructions that thinking individuals can act on logically. DNA and/or RNA are these specific instructions upon which all information for a life form is based upon. In order to think logically a problem must first be presented:
I give you a one celled organism. First, I want you to assemble the ribosomes so that they can properly interpret the DNA. Now make the amino acids (CH2 for the laymen which is a part of the carboxyl group COOH). Seriously, go get the material. Devise a means by which these ribosomes and amino acids only act at a specified time without error to create an organism. (No not a human, just a simple organism). Now make sure that the cells can properly replicate themselves without fail and sustain themselves. Then watch it develop into a human.
Ok so where is the dilemma you ask. Here. I want you to do this, without intelligent thought at any point. You see something go wrong, you cant interfere. Whether that means hiring a monkey to randomly type at the keyboard for billions of years. Do not enter a goal for the computer. Phrases like create life or make a living organism are forbidden. Simply set it up, press start and watch.
Wait! But this experiment will not work. There is no way that these organisms randomly developed on accident. I know. Sorry, find a way around it. Have you solved the problem that has taken mankind centuries to even touch upon? Ok, now subject your experiment to climate and other x factors and see what happens then.
Didnt work? Thanks for helping to prove the existence of god. Oh, it did work? Thanks for helping prove the existence of God. You did help to change the code into a readable form. That required intelligent thought.
You see, atheism is actually stupid when it is thought out logically. The foundational problems inherit in creating any simple organism that it is simply impossible that a random accident caused it. Atheism is an untenable and stupid position because it says precisely that: it was all just a random accident.
Genius scientists such as Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton all believed in the existence of God. (For the laymen out their, Einstein invented the theory of relativity and Sir Isaac Newton invented physics and Calculus (Yes an entire complex form of mathematics barely even touched upon until college: and even then only pathetically.) Atheists like to gloss over this fact. They also like to claim that religions are fanatical because they refuse to accept evolution into their teaching. This is a complete lie. The Catholic Church (along with many others) say that evolution is completely kosher with its teachings. No, atheism is fanatical because it simply refuses to recognize an inherit problem in science and since it cannot prove it, it refuses to use logic to explain it. They have not a single shred of evidence to prove their case.
The idea that scientists in general reject God because they are smart is the most absurd and indefensible argument ever heard. Sure there were some. But they didnt think hard enough. For all the great things Darwin did, he was never a philosopher. He asked the question once (paraphrased) that some people are so dull as to think that everything was not created by a random accident, because to think such a thing is illogical. EXACTLY. Sir. Thomas Aquinas noted this almost centuries before Darwin, and said precisely, it is illogical to think such a thing.
It is.
If the earth was one degree more off its axis, we would have no seasons. If there were no Himalayan mountains, there could be no agriculture. If we were just a bit more close to the sun, life would be untenable. If there was a bit more nitrogen in the air, say bye bye. To believe that all of this was a random accident is an absurd blind leap of faith because it has no basis in fact, thought, or reasoning. It is more than fanatical belief.
What is even scarier is that these are the smart atheists. God help the dumb ones. Atheists try and claim the high ground when they have no basis to do such a thing. They rant about how they are being mistreated when they have to listen to under god during prayer when they havent even begun to think about whether or not He exists.
What are we hear for if not a purpose? Is everything simply a random accident? Fine, then I am stealing your 100 dollars. Why? Because I can and if I am smart enough, I can get away without any punishment. Hitler sure got away with a lot. How fair is it that in the end we both end up in the same way: as dust. Scary isnt it. But this is the belief system of the atheists.
Atheism is an untenable and fanatical position. Many atheists are so blind they are blinded as to what they are blinded about. The next time you come across an atheist do two things, one ask him to use his brain a little more. Two, pray for him. Pray not because he doesnt have a religion, but pray because his has one.
But he left out the most impressive proof of all -- 99+% of the billions of people on the face of the earth have legs exactly long enough to reach the floor, not a millimeter more or less! Obviously this shows the Hand of God at work!
I just got this mental image of Voltaire and Clinton at a cocktail party....
Belief in God is based on the idea that all these complex things: science, humanity, the universe, and all that is wonderful woudld be impossible without something working behind it that was smarter. It doesnt claim there was a jesus, or a mohammad, or even what God looks like. All it is saying is that something, somewhere, is doing something to make it work right.
Yep.
Ugh, the only thing less worthwhile, meaningless and more tedious than listening to 'believers' discuss science is to hear scientists discuss belief.
In the words of Archie Bunker, "You better get a tailor to measure you for a lightning rod!"
I'd like to take a shot at that, if I may.
I would direct you to start by looking at yourself. Not merely at the surface you, the analytical rational you, but at the deepest you. The you that has existed since your earliest memories of being you. The you that is distinct from every other thing and yet connected to every other thing.
This can be harder than it sounds. It takes a great deal of courage.
Many people only look that deep when they've reached some personal crisis; others when they are terrified for their lives. It is at that core, at the essential you, that you will find God, at least that's where the rest of us have found Him.
He has all ways been there, and you have all ways known Him.
As has been pointed out more than once, there are other equally strong theories of speciation as evolution (e.g. some interesting quasi-Lamarckian stuff that comes out of complexity theory regarding genetic machinery). However, since the droolers fixate on evolution, that's the only one that ever gets discussed. Don't project your lack of imagination on the rest of the world.
It certainly exists now. Tell me what that concept exists of.
Picture that fertalized egg splitting. One cell has to have a particular assignment and the other had a different assignment. This is true for each split untill you have a multi trillion celled person.
It is obvious that God forms the man just as He said He does.
Was it you who said that mathmatics and evolution are contradictory? I am not sure.
Evolution, the development of single celled organisms into complex forms of life does not go against the idea of a God. For me, it makes it even more believable
Good lord, how did you ever find yourself on a conservative website?
That's dumb. If God is so smart, what's his IQ?. If I was smarter, would I be more God-like?
Physicist is danged smart, does that mean he's closer to God?
Forgive me, I just had my wisdom teeth out 4 hours ago and the anesthesia is still driving me crazy. lol
I am enjoying the discussion
Matt
That depends on the definition of "worthy of worship". I personally define it as an empty set, though I would be curious to hear other definitions (I haven't spent much time thinking about this particular bit).
And that makes you a little more 'certain' that God exists?
If someone disproves that, will your belief lessen? If not, what good is such a silly assertion?
If someone disproves that, will your belief lessen? If not, what good is such a silly assertion?
No I'm already 100 percent certain He exists. It gives me a little more proof for the non-believer to consider. It is only to help edify those of less faith and as a point of discussion for the unsaved.
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