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To: sheltonmac; Jeremiah Jr
>What would you call people who do not accept Christ? "Unbeliever" is a term used repeatedly in Scripture. Anyone who rejects Christ as the Messiah is an unbeliever. God does not discriminate along ethnic lines.

First of all "Christ" is a Greek term, not a Jewish one.  The Lord is Yeshua Ha Mashiach.  Salvation is more than for one to "accept Christ."  The bigger question should be, "Will He accept you?"  He said, Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.  Those who love Him, do.  Those who don't and say they know Him are liars: 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  Therefore, an Unbeliever is one who doesn't love the Lord enough to keep His commandments.  That is probably MOST of what calls itself Christian in America today!  Torah observant Jews love G-d enough to keep His commandments but most Christians do not.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have ***purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

The above verse matches nicely (see *** below) with the Messianic Jewish prayer on Friday nigiht, Shabbat, when the lady of the house lights the two candles representing Creation and Redemption.  She recites the following (Messianic version):

Baruch ata Adonai Elahainu Melech Ha-Olam Asher Kidshanu Votav, Vtzibanu L’hiyoht Or Lagayim V’natan Lanu Yeshua Mishikanu Or La Olam.

Blessed are you, O Lord our God, Ruler of the universe Who ***sanctified us by Your commandments, and commanded us to be a light for the nations and gave us Yeshua our Messiah, the light of the world.   Jerry Golden: The Sabbath

Jews are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the coming Messiah.   [Leave it to God to reveal Who that is WHEN HE DECIDES, not when you decide.  He is outside of time and can do anything He wants.]

Christians are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the Messiah who they recognize as Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

One of the most frightening sections in the Bible is this:

Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Lord warned of deception more than anything else. Paul said, Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Grievous wolves have been deceiving and duping the Christian Church for 1900 years, leading it away from its Jewish roots that it is its foundation. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Quite simply, God requires a lot more of people than "simply believe and receive," and the Word is present to direct anyone to the Truth who wants to be so directed.  There are enough riddles built into the Word that those who are not sincerely repentant and humble will miss it.  The true gospel is hid because they refuse to obey it.  The Spirit of God is directing all who will follow to examine their Jewish roots, depart from pagan doctrines and feasts and return to the Word and obedience that they might be saved.  Click here and follow a link or two 86.

Ro 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

106 posted on 06/06/2002 8:19:07 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Grievous wolves have been deceiving and duping the Christian Church for 1900 years, leading it away from its Jewish roots that it is its foundation.

This heresy is called "restorationism" or "Deus abscondicus." Those who hold this view claim that God founded His church, then deserted/abandoned it for long, sad, centuries, until OUR man (Joe Smith, Judge Russell, Mary Ellen White, Cyrus I. Scofield, Sun Myong Moon, Kip Keene, whoever) showed up to make everything right again. It is not enough to simply embrace the Lord and the church family He's placed you in. In order to be really saved, you must also embrace OUR man (Joe Smith, Judge Russell, Mary Ellen White, Cyrus I. Scofield, Sun Myong Moon, Kip Keene, whoever).

Like Jesus, I am more Jewish than the Pharisees of His day, since I embrace the Bible (Torah) and esteem it more highly than I do the traditions of men (Talmud). As Jesus told those who denied Him, "If you had believed Moses, you would have believed Me, for Moses wrote of Me." The vast majority of our Lord's kin "after the flesh" went astray, because of the human traditions you seem to regard as the essence of Jewish culture.

Talmudic Judaism is a Christ-denying cult which, like the Moonies, the Mormons, the JWs, or the Muslims, elevates human writings above divine revelation. (hey, I like cultists, appreciate their sincerity and zeal, and pray for their salvation!)

107 posted on 06/06/2002 8:45:01 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: 2sheep
Have you read Galatians 3:28? All are one in Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha Mashiach). If I had to choose between your obviously distorted interpretation of the Word of God and the Word of God Himself, I choose the latter. If that somehow makes me anti-Semitic, intolerant, arrogant or prideful in your eyes, so be it. "But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Gal. 6:14).

"Jews are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the coming Messiah."

But he has already come, and I don't think he was lying when he said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

111 posted on 06/06/2002 9:16:46 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: 2sheep
Jews are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the coming Messiah. Christians are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the Messiah who they recognize as Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

Jews believe they are "saved" by Grace (i.e. because they were BORN Jews). Followers of Yeshua believe that they are saved by Grace. Jews believe they STAY "saved" by not being cut off (by abominable acts). Followers of Yeshua believe that they stay "saved" by Grace. Ephesians 1 and 2 lay out the comparisons and conclude that it is all Grace, pure Grace. Deut 29 shows that His Torah has been written on our hearts... by Grace.
140 posted on 06/06/2002 3:23:48 PM PDT by safisoft
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