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To: 2sheep; TomSmedley
"The Lord doesn't reveal anything to those who refuse to repent (Antinomians). Because of your arrogance, pride and highmindedness, and your hatred of our brothers the Jews, you can read your Bible in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and in the tongues of angels but G-d will not give you understanding of the mystery of the Jews or any mystery. Because you wield the letter without the Spirit and without the necessary requirement of obedience (look up shema and pray for understanding), you are not given understanding. Mt. 13:11. Be not wise in your own conceits. Go back to the beginning and get your foundation instead of questioning mine.  It appears you have cut the legs off of your Bible by disregarding everything from Genesis through Malachi and reinterpreting Matthew to Revelation to suit yourself."

Talk about arrogance and pride! You think those criticizing dispensationalism are full of themselves and believe they have all the answers, yet you turn around and make the very claim you accuse us of making. Do you honestly believe that we have a hatred for the Jews? We certainly don't claim to have a brotherhood with any non-believer, Jew or Gentile, but that has nothing to do with hatred. Our prayer is that the Jews—and all people, for that matter—will come to a saving knowledge of Christ. All who claim Christ as Lord and Savior will be welcomed as our brothers and sisters! "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:28).

"Think about this: Yeshua was a Jew!"

And Yeshua was rejected by..... Anyone? Anyone? That's right, the Jews! "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."(John 1:10-13).

101 posted on 06/06/2002 7:59:18 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac; Jeremiah Jr
>What would you call people who do not accept Christ? "Unbeliever" is a term used repeatedly in Scripture. Anyone who rejects Christ as the Messiah is an unbeliever. God does not discriminate along ethnic lines.

First of all "Christ" is a Greek term, not a Jewish one.  The Lord is Yeshua Ha Mashiach.  Salvation is more than for one to "accept Christ."  The bigger question should be, "Will He accept you?"  He said, Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.  Those who love Him, do.  Those who don't and say they know Him are liars: 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.  Therefore, an Unbeliever is one who doesn't love the Lord enough to keep His commandments.  That is probably MOST of what calls itself Christian in America today!  Torah observant Jews love G-d enough to keep His commandments but most Christians do not.

Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have ***purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently

The above verse matches nicely (see *** below) with the Messianic Jewish prayer on Friday nigiht, Shabbat, when the lady of the house lights the two candles representing Creation and Redemption.  She recites the following (Messianic version):

Baruch ata Adonai Elahainu Melech Ha-Olam Asher Kidshanu Votav, Vtzibanu L’hiyoht Or Lagayim V’natan Lanu Yeshua Mishikanu Or La Olam.

Blessed are you, O Lord our God, Ruler of the universe Who ***sanctified us by Your commandments, and commanded us to be a light for the nations and gave us Yeshua our Messiah, the light of the world.   Jerry Golden: The Sabbath

Jews are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the coming Messiah.   [Leave it to God to reveal Who that is WHEN HE DECIDES, not when you decide.  He is outside of time and can do anything He wants.]

Christians are saved by keeping the commandments and faith in the Messiah who they recognize as Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

One of the most frightening sections in the Bible is this:

Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Lord warned of deception more than anything else. Paul said, Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Grievous wolves have been deceiving and duping the Christian Church for 1900 years, leading it away from its Jewish roots that it is its foundation. Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Quite simply, God requires a lot more of people than "simply believe and receive," and the Word is present to direct anyone to the Truth who wants to be so directed.  There are enough riddles built into the Word that those who are not sincerely repentant and humble will miss it.  The true gospel is hid because they refuse to obey it.  The Spirit of God is directing all who will follow to examine their Jewish roots, depart from pagan doctrines and feasts and return to the Word and obedience that they might be saved.  Click here and follow a link or two 86.

Ro 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

106 posted on 06/06/2002 8:19:07 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: sheltonmac; 2sheep; Quix; TomSmedley; Thinkin' Gal
And Yeshua was rejected by..... Anyone? Anyone? That's right, the Jews!

That's so ridiculous that it's pathetic. People need to read the Bible, the WHOLE HOLY Bible. Some of the Jewish authorities rejected Him, but all of the early Christians were JEWS. They continued to keep the Sabbath holy, they continued to keep the Jewish feasts, they continued to worship in the temple.

110 posted on 06/06/2002 9:15:46 AM PDT by Prodigal Daughter
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To: sheltonmac
A question for those of you who believe Revelation (which was written in 96 AD, 25 years AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem) deals with events that have already transpired.

In Rev 11 it's talking about the Two Witnesses. We read:

8And their bodies will lie in the main street of Jerusalem, the city which is called "Sodom" and "Egypt," the city where their Lord was crucified.9And for three and a half days, all peoples, tribes, languages, and nations will come to stare at their bodies. No one will be allowed to bury them.10All the people who belong to this world will give presents to each other to celebrate the death of the two prophets who had tormented them.11But after three and a half days, the spirit of life from God entered them, and they stood up! And terror struck all who were staring at them.12Then a loud voice shouted from heaven, "Come up here!" And they rose to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched.13And in the same hour there was a terrible earthquake that destroyed a tenth of the city. Seven thousand people died in that earthquake. And everyone who did not die was terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.14The second terror is past, but look, now the third terror is coming quickly.

When, do you say, was there an earthquake that destroyed a tenth of Jerusalem, causing 7000 people to die? When, historically (please provide source) did that earthquake happen? Thanks.

133 posted on 06/06/2002 1:39:54 PM PDT by berned
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To: sheltonmac
I could readily agree that The Lord seems to have a strong tendency to avoid revealing much of anything to the stubbornly unrepentant.

But I still hesitate to define even that box for such an Almighty God who at least occasionally likes to do unusual things askew even from His own traditions.

There appear to be some dramatic things scheduled for even the secular world to see. Certainly there will end up even less excuse than pagans now have to avoid a relationship with God.

178 posted on 06/07/2002 9:09:51 AM PDT by Quix
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