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US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?
O'Reilly, NY Post, The Diocese Report, others... ^

Posted on 05/20/2002 7:49:43 PM PDT by Polycarp

On Fox tonight O'Reilly said a cardinal is about to be outed as an active homosexual. Rumor has it Bishop Bruskiwiecz sent a letter telling this Cardinal to "resign, or else..."

NY POST: WHICH American cardinal recently disclosed to insiders a confidential letter he received from a bishop urging the cardinal to resign for the good of the church? The cardinal is being urged to quit before his much-gossiped-about homosexual indiscretions are uncovered by the media . . . WHICH ranking priest of a major diocese predicted over a boozy dinner the other night that if the media outs this particular cardinal, "then the dominoes will really start to fall"?


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To: Antoninus
A *definitely not* ping for Bevilacqua
341 posted on 05/22/2002 2:16:08 AM PDT by glorygirl
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To: ninenot
FIFTY IN FARGO!?!?!?!? Well, now you know why they put a monastery on Monte Cassio, a safe distance from Rome(the big city).
342 posted on 05/22/2002 2:17:27 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: ninenot
You've got to be kidding (number of ordinands)! I had no idea it was that bad.

Thanks for the sad info. :(

343 posted on 05/22/2002 9:36:26 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RobbyS; ninenot
See Robby's comment at #340. I nominate it for the astute observation of the week!
344 posted on 05/22/2002 9:38:36 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Domestic Church
And then I hope they place him in charge of every single seminary in this country(he can shut done the rotten ones and clean house in the rest)...I know many want him in NY & Boston but we need him to head up All the seminaries if we want to turn this crisis around!

Sounds like an EXCELLENT idea to me. From your keyboard to God's ear.
345 posted on 05/22/2002 10:49:28 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: fatima
The heck with sinkspur,he,she knows how to type and answer on a forum,I beleive and know my Bishop here in the archdioceses in Phila.I am with him and stand by him.

God bless you, Fatima ... from a fellow Philadelphian!
346 posted on 05/22/2002 10:53:29 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Polycarp
This is awful. People are guessing who is gay? Ok, then. I bet it's Cardinal McCarrick--Washington, DC, but that's just a guess...
347 posted on 05/22/2002 10:55:30 AM PDT by Snowy
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To: ninenot
If Piazza comes out of the closet, next month could see the outing of one Cardinal and one Met.
348 posted on 05/22/2002 10:56:49 AM PDT by berned
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To: sinkspur
The word uppity comes to mind as to this grammar schoolmarm who thinks that Archbishop Curtiss has some obligation to obey her rather than vice versa. He should have fired her outright unless she has actual proof other than her own mouth. Even then, her insubordinate attitude and action would be cause enough.

When I was an employer, I would have fired someone like her so fast that she would not have known what happened. When I was an employee, I expected the same treatment. Maybe Archbishop Curtiss is too liberal for his own good.

349 posted on 05/22/2002 12:48:08 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
You will note that the 'news services' only provide about half the story on her dialogue with Bp. Curtiss. I am reliably informed that Curtiss is a very solid guy--who has a VERY big job ahead of him, even if he never gets around to fixing Creighton U.
350 posted on 05/22/2002 5:59:52 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: BlackElk
The word uppity comes to mind as to this grammar schoolmarm who thinks that Archbishop Curtiss has some obligation to obey her rather than vice versa. He should have fired her outright unless she has actual proof other than her own mouth. Even then, her insubordinate attitude and action would be cause enough.

Well, my friend, why is Curtiss protecting a child-pornography-viewing priest?

Curtiss is an obstinate man who thinks he and his priests are above the law.

The woman did a service to society which showed up Curtiss.

He's angry because he's been outed as a protector of a pervert.

351 posted on 05/22/2002 6:34:47 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
This woman, this insubordinate employee (who may therefore be presumed to set an insubordinate example for the Catholic children who have been entrusted to her care), this woman who ought to be fired so that she can get her fifteen minutes in the National (anti-)Catholic Reporter, this woman whose unsubstantiated claims (no other evidence whatsoever in your previous posts other than he said/she said) have been launched against a priest, and who also has the consummate gall to demand that Archbishop Curtiss comply immediately with her facts or fantasies, as the case may be, is not the ordinary of the Omaha diocese. Eldon Curtiss is and, if Texas were so fortunate as to have ordinaries (whom you regularly attack because, let's face it, they are orthodox) who were actually Catholic, maybe, just maybe you would not have the unconstructed scandals of pederasty, pedophilia, homosexuality, sexual exploitation and what not that flourish in places like Dallas where all that and more has been proven in court already with record levels of damages awarded by juries.

IF, and I say IF, the Omaha priest is actually guilty, his case will be dealt with by the courts and also ecclesiastically by Eldon Curtiss.

Do we have the same confidence in the heretical likes of Archbishop Rembert Weakland, the Mad Monk of Milwaukee, who threatens libel suits against J Random Catholic in hid diocese writing to him to report clerical misconduct? No.

Do we have the same confidence in Roger Cardinal Mahoney? Of course, he tried to use his influence as a cardinal to silence Mother Angelica and to sieze for the left termites a piece of EWTN's programming time, ;est Americans be exposed to Catholicism. Since the Vatican unlike the Los Angeles Archdiocese is still actually Catholic, he failed. Apparently no reason for confidence in scum like Mahoney.

How about William Cardinal Keeler of Baltimore? He threatened parents who resisted and publicly complained of their daughters being taught at Loyola High School in Baltimore that lesbianism was an acceptable alternative to sex as intended by God. No, no confidence there.

Those are only three execrable examples of the leftist AmChurch hierarchy about whom you NEVER complain and three examples of behavior far worse than ALLEGEDLY ATTEMPTING to view kiddie porn on the internet. As a recovering attorney, I have a good deal of difficulty figuring out the apparently assumed difference between reading kiddie porn books and downloading kiddie porn off the internet. Assuming that the priest is guilty of the attempt, he is a sinner and a sinner without apparent actual victim other than the state of his own soul.

If the insubordinate schoolmarm is telling lies, she too is a sinner and one in direct contact with kids whom she may influence. If the insubordinate schoolmarm is telling the truth, she is still guilty of gross insubordination, has a rotten attitude toward hierarchical authority, especially in an archdiocese blessed with an archbishop like Eldon Curtiss, and she is still acting as though she were incharge of her archbishop rather than vice versa and in charge of her employer rather than vice versa.

Intellectual honesty demands that, long before you attempt to create a tempest in a teapot against such actually Catholic ordinaries as Eldon Curtiss and Fabian Bruskewitz (whom you previously attacked over military pederast behavior by a Lincoln priest who was convicted of his crimes about ten years before Bruskewitz ever saw Nebraska and who was no longer around when he arrived), you deal with the criminal homosexual pedophilia, pederasty and exploitation which was so rampant next door to you in the Diocese of Dallas (you also attacked Bruskewitz for withdrawing his seminarians from Dallas to his own new seminary in Lincoln), or, at least, Rembert Weakland.

When laws require violating the seal of the confessional, the Pope and Canon Law agree that the Church is above the law, if necessary, and in our country, courtesy of the First Amendment, it is the consistent ruling of our courts that the contents of confessions to priests or other clergy are no business whatsoever of the government.

Until you demonstrate special knowledge of the priest in Omaha or something other than the word of this insubordinate "Catholic" schoolteacher who obeys neither her boss nor her Archbishop (one and the same) or give us your views on the threats against in-house whistleblowers by Weakland, why should your speculations about Curtiss be taken seriously as other than the same old/same old attacks on a prelate because he is Catholic? Do you really think that the ALLEGED ATTEMPT to download kiddie porn, even if true, is the worst matter facing our bishops today on this front? Do you think it is in the top one thousand? No, you are naturally embarassed that Kumbaya Catholicism has brought us lavender seminaries, lavender rectories, lavender "Catholic" colleges, acceptance of every form of perversion as "normal" by the bishops behind the document of the NCCB called "Always Our Children."

You are diverting attention from the real problems by scrawling a few prophylactic but weak attacks on Catholic bishops because you know that it is the hierarchical heretics and the hierarchichal indifferent who are responsible for this scourge. Bear in mind that right after the next conclave or, hopefully, sooner, the purge (may it be relentless) begins.

352 posted on 05/23/2002 7:56:33 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Calm down.

I've criticized Weakland this very morning, Mahony and his monstrosity of a Cathedral. Keeler I know nothing about and haven't read anything about any of the priests in his diocese.

As for the Omaha case, the original article said that "court records indicate that the priest admitted to viewing child pornography on several occasions." That's a crime. Curtiss held his knowledge of these accusations in abeyance for eight months.

The woman whom you call "insubordinate" is a hero. Curtiss has a habit of upbraiding lay people for circumventing him, as he did two letter-writers to the Omaha World who dared criticize him in public.

Curtiss is pompous and arrogant, and everybody knows it.

As for the "military priest" whom you reference, that's news to me. You're confusing me with someone else on that one, as this is the first I've heard that there was ever a problem of any kind in Lincoln.

I don't favor bishops of any stripe, as I think the vast majority of them are collared CEO's rather than spiritual shepherds. They don't give a damn about their priests, and the feeling is usually mutual.

The only time lay people encounter bishops is when they're transferring a priest or begging for money; bishops certainly don't make themselves available to dialogue with their "flock," because most bishops could care less what their people think.

353 posted on 05/23/2002 8:24:02 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: BlackElk
Assuming that the priest is guilty of the attempt, he is a sinner and a sinner without apparent actual victim other than the state of his own soul.

Will you go to any lengths to clear Curtiss? Are you actually positing here that child pornography has no victims?

354 posted on 05/23/2002 8:28:51 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Elk, bishops, liberal and conservative, have always kept transgressions, especially those involving sex, under wraps. Their excuse was "well, we've got to protect the victims," while at the same time many of them accused those same victims of causing the abuse (Weakland was notorious for this).

Apparently, it will have to be beaten into the heads of some of these guys that they will no longer be allowed to hide criminality from the community.

355 posted on 05/23/2002 8:38:13 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I have always preferred orthodox bishops myself, burning with a special zeal and, if they are like that, I want them to be arrogant. They have earned the right to be. Likewise, authoritarian, non-collegial, unworldly, and living flamethrowers when it comes to dealing with government. Curtiss deserves arrogance in all this and more.

That having been said, reprehensible and sinful though downloading kiddie porn or any other kind may be, and evidence of a sick and disordered soul though it may be, I do believe that this is more a matter for the Church than for the ubiquitous drunken dinosaur known as government. I don't like this behavior at all but I don't think it is illegal whatever some collection of preening legislative panderers may say or the usual gang of suspects in black judicial robes for that matter. A nation that cannot muster the moral resolve to protect unborn innocent children from the abortionist's scalpel or suction machine has some gilt-edged nerve claiming to act morally on behalf of kids. Our government would not know a moral principle if its continued existence depended on it. If an adult is somehow legally guaranteed the right to view pictures of subhuman liberals engaged in sex with horses or in group scenes, one attached to the other ad infinitum, because our august judges think the First Amendment Freedom of Speech was intended to protect such "communications," where is there mention in the constitution of a distinction having to do with pictures sexually exploiting children?

Thomas Jefferson, no noteworthy religious enthusiast, explained in his famous 1811 letter to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Church that the purpose of the First Amendment Freedom of Worship is to guarantee that the churches are free, without fear, to hold government accountable and that government shall not hold the churches accountable. If a priest or a bishop sexually violates a child or anyone else and/or if a bishop covers up the misbehavior after the fact, there are criminal legal remedies but the Church has absolutely NO OBLIGATION to cooperate with its traditional enemy, the government, and, if violating the seal of the confessional is demanded, priestly martyrdom is preferable. We will bury any government that tries as we have for twenty centuries.

By the way, in our country, in our time, liberal populism is a contradiction in terms.

356 posted on 05/23/2002 9:52:41 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: sinkspur
A bishop ought not to be a collared CEO (is that a double entendre? Law will need a lot of help if he is collared by Sipowicz) as you put it. He ought to be and is a successor of the apostles. Unfortunately, all too many in our country keep reminding us by their behavior that Judas too was an apostle. Maybe they practiced beforehand by defying the bishops under whom they served as priests?
357 posted on 05/23/2002 9:57:28 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: JMJ333
Saint Michael the Archangel can't be a member of the Church Militant because, not being a human being, he's not a member of the Church.
358 posted on 05/26/2002 12:07:43 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
I took those exclamations directly from the litany of St. Michael. I don't see why he can't be our splendor, fortess and protector. Perhaps you should e-mail the Pauline media and tell them they've erred.
359 posted on 05/26/2002 7:33:18 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Polycarp
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360 posted on 05/26/2002 8:39:24 AM PDT by harbingr
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