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To: Matchett-PI
So you are contending that everything Jesus said about the role of the Holy Spirit--( dwelling in the apostles and individual Christians reading what they wrote,ie: Scripture)--can be nullified by one word?

No. I am simply stating that what you say (not Jesus), is nullified. No matter what synonyms you want to employ for the word useful,( profitable, advantageous,having beneficial results) it can never have the meaning you give it; useful can never mean personal interpretation as infallible authority.

Furthermore, I am shocked that you would imply that Jesus said individual Christians reading what the apostles wrote would have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them. There is absolutely no mention of Jesus telling anyone to write anything, let alone what the result of reading it would be.

Paul in one of his letters to Timothy, admonishes him to remind the individuals that make up the church to rightly apply the Word of Truth and not to strive about words. 2 Tim 2;14-15

Look, I'm not the one digging up Greek translations, just applying the term "useful" as it is meant in its simplest, most universally understood meaning. A hammer is useful in building a house. However, you will require much more to attain your goal. Frankly, IMHO, Paul's admonition to Timothy applies to you.

319 posted on 07/08/2002 5:22:15 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
MPI: "So you are contending that everything Jesus said about the role of the Holy Spirit--( dwelling in the apostles and individual Christians reading what they wrote,ie: Scripture)--can be nullified by one word?"

St.C: "No. I am simply stating that what you say (not Jesus), is nullified."

Where is your authority for nullifying the Scriptures? I haven't seen you quoting any Scriptures that nullify what I wrote. Indeed, I am the only one who has quoted Scripture (the infallible words of Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, et.al.). You have merely given me your opinion with nothing to back it up. Provide the quotes where you say I have contradicted the Scriptures.

St.C: "No matter what synonyms you want to employ for the word useful,( profitable, advantageous,having beneficial results) it can never have the meaning you give it; useful can never mean personal interpretation as infallible authority."

You're confused. The only "infallible authority" are the Scriptures.

Those without the Spirit cannot understand Scriptural Truth, however, because it is spiritually discerned.

Do you think that is what "I" say?

No --- that is what the apostle Paul says to church member "brethren" in the church of God at Corinth.

He tells them this: "Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. ... But the natural man (without the Holy Spirit), does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned. ... but we have the mind of Christ."

I gave you the origional Greek word. Look it up for yourself. It's a predicate adjective that describes what the result of studying Scripture will be --- for those in whom the Holy Spirit dwells (as __Paul said__ in the Scriptures I quoted above).

St.C: "Furthermore, I am shocked that you would imply that Jesus said individual Christians reading what the apostles wrote would have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them."

Really??????? Where have you been? Are you not able to understand the Scriptures I've been quoting? And I have only given you the tip of the iceberg.

There is no such thing as a true Christian if the Spirit of God isn't living in him. A Christian is a "temple" for the Holy Spirit to dwell. Is that "foolishness" to you?

Do you think that is what "I" say?

No --- it is what the apostle Paul says:

"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ (dwelling in him), he is not His. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.." [Rom.8:9-17]

St.C: "There is absolutely no mention of Jesus telling anyone to write anything...."

Jesus told his apostles: ".. when the Spirit of Truth comes whom I will send you from the Father ... He will testify of Me. And YOU will bear witness because YOU have been with me from the beginning." [John 15:26-27]

320 posted on 07/08/2002 8:27:08 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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