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Diocese too liberal, book says [Supports Paid Pro-Homosexual Psychologist}
The Tribune Democrat ^ | 5/5/02 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 05/05/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Diocese too liberal, book says

By SUSAN EVANS, The TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT May 05, 2002

A controversial new book names the Altoona-Johnstown Roman Catholic Diocese as one of many dioceses that turns away qualified candidates for the priesthood in favor of a “gay subculture” and threatens the Church with dangerous reforms.

The book criticizes a State College psychologist who screens candidates for the diocese, saying his view of homosexuality is too liberal.

In response, the diocese says the author never contacted the diocese to verify any facts, and that the author lacks credibility.

The psychologist says the characterization is false, the author is a hate-monger, and his conservative critics are “the Catholic Taliban.”

The book “Goodbye! Good Men” describes a predatory “gay subculture” in some seminaries, and psychological screening that eliminates orthodox heterosexual males from the priesthood.

Written by conservative Cincinnati author Michael Rose and published by Regnery Publishing Inc. of Washington, the book contends “liberals are bringing corruption into the Catholic Church.”

Although penned before the burgeoning sex scandals, the book now has become a battle cry for conservative Catholics in this region.
It has also reignited a 2-year-old controversy within the Altoona-Johnstown diocese over the Church’s position on homosexuality and whether gays should be ordained.

And for one aspiring priest from Cambria County, it opens old wounds from his seminary experience, where he says he was sickened by the sexually decadent environment and criticized for being chaste.

Much of the controversy within the diocese centers around Penn State University.

Author Rose writes that David J. Brown, a clinical psychologist under contract with the Altoona-Johnstown diocese to screen candidates for the priesthood, has “gone out of his way to make the case that homosexuality is ‘perfectly normal’ and that ‘homosexuality is natural, not unnatural.’ ”

He criticizes Brown for telling the school board in State College that they were wrong to exclude homosexual speakers from Penn State.

“The fact that someone would pose such an argument is not news itself. But when such a man, whose views are publicly known, is contracted to screen applicants for the seminary, what is remarkable is the obvious incompatibility,” the book says.

In a telephone interview form his State College office, Brown said he did testify in favor of non-discrimination and non-harassment of homosexuals.

“I drew from the Bishop’s Pastoral Letter on the topic, and I expressed the opinion that Jesus would be appalled at such bigotry.”

Rose is “trying to reconfigure the current sex scandal into an anti-homosexual crusade. It’s like anti-Semitism,” he said.

“Part of Rose’s central thesis is that ultra-liberals and gays have taken over the process of becoming a priest, and that I only give liberals or gays a recommendation. That’s false and paranoid,” Brown said. “These people are pathologically homophobic, and the goal of local conservative Catholics is to have the bishop terminate my work.

“They are the local Catholic Taliban. They insist on their point of view. They are relentless, mean-spirited and punitive,” he said.

Catholic conservative George Foster strongly disagrees:

“Dr. Brown’s attitude explains the current crisis in the Church today.”

Critic of modernism

Foster, an orthodox activist who grew up in Cambria County and is now an Altoona businessman, has been a vocal critic of the modernism movement in the Church.

The State College controversy two years ago is still a serious issue with him, and so is Brown.

Foster is conservative in the sense that he believes the Church must adhere literally to Vatican teachings.

Brown’s and other Church leaders’ views on homosexuality differ from official Church doctrine.

Foster cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which says:

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

The Catechism refers to homosexuality as an “inclination which is objectively disordered.”

Brown and others who say that homosexuality is natural go against Church teaching, Foster said.

“The bishop has been notified that Dr. Brown is on record against the traditional teaching of the Church. He’s not one who supports all of the teachings of the Church, and that destroys the Vatican’s goal that all must promote the correct moral teachings.”

Foster and conservative Catholics who were interviewed by The Tribune-Democrat say gays should not be priests.

“What’s worried me the most is all the talk on how we address the current issue of pedophilia, but our talk has been too narrow. The bigger issue is of homosexuality, but it’s a political hot button that many try to avoid,” he said.

Foster views the book “Goodbye! Good Men” as accurate in portraying the problems with homosexuality and with orthodox heterosexuals being screened out of the priesthood.

Foster takes issue with Brown’s characterization of conservative Catholics as “The Catholic Taliban’’ or “homophobic.”

“In the Catholic Church, the priesthood is a fraternity of men. The Church cannot condone men who have sexual inclinations toward each other sitting together. Numerous priests have come out and stated that the problems they’re seeing now revolve around homosexual priests,” he said.

“Yes, people say that’s homophobic. But that’s laughable. My responsibilities as a Christian, as a Catholic, are to speak to people about the truth. You want to do it in a loving manner, but you don’t want to change the Church’s teachings to do it.

“The Church has always taught that there should not be ‘unjust’ discrimination. But discrimination is not always a bad thing. In the matter of homosexuality, you would never advocate an alcoholic to be a bartender. Nor would I say a drug user should be a pharmacist. Where we’re dealing with a fraternity of men, you don’t place them into a situation where their weaknesses could be worked on.”
Brown supported

Diocese spokeswoman Sister Mary Parks defends Brown.

“When he asks candidates questions, he’s trying to see where they’re coming from. He may ask them from any ideological standpoint, to see what their reaction would be. A pastor must be flexible and open to all people who come to him,” she said.

“Some of these people who have questioned Dr. Brown have also questioned our own bishop,” she said.

One of those is Foster and fellow conservatives.

They take issue with Bishop Joseph Adamec’s pastoral statement on homosexuality, in which he did not strictly quote the Catechism and said the Catechism term “objective disorder” may “sound harsh.”

Foster says that’s not a tiny issue.

“Our diocese is representative of the nation as a whole. In Florida, a bishop resigned because he was a practicing homosexual. In Philadelphia, homosexuals are banned from entering the priesthood. In our diocese, people with problems with homosexuality have been promoted,” he said.

Foster and his conservative colleagues’ position mirrors the Vatican’s.

The chief spokesman for the Vatican says the Church must respond to the pedophilia scandal by ceasing to ordain gay men.

“People with these inclinations just cannot be ordained,” said Joaquin Navarro-Valls.     

The Vatican also is on record as wanting enforcement of a 1961 document from the Sacred Congregation for Religious that prohibits the admission of homosexuals to the diocesan priesthood and religious orders.

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia rejects candidates for the priesthood who say they are gay and expels any seminarian found to be an active homosexual.

The national debate hits home for one young man.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, because he still aspires to become a priest and fears retribution, this student finds the controversial book to be very credible.

At the first seminary he attended, he said he was shocked to see openly gay activity.

“It sickened me because certain men were known to be couples. I was ‘checked out’ by others and told to ‘make sure I wasn’t alone with so and so because he’d come on to me.’ ”

The seminarian, from the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese, said the anecdotes in the book rang true.

“I watched one guy get another guy drunk and take him back to his room. He was very predatory. I felt I was illegitimized by these people.

“The problem is that they’re letting people into seminaries whose lifestyle defies Church teachings. The number of predators might be small, but they shouldn’t have been there at all.

“The administration is afraid to do anything, because it will tick off the bishop. They can’t afford to lose students. It’s a numbers game,” he said.

He said that his conservative views against women being ordained almost caused him to be screened out of the priesthood. He said Brown interviewed him and called him “rigid.”

Brown says he does not remember any such interview, and cannot respond to an anonymous accusation.

Penn State link

Throughout interviews with both conservatives and diocese officials, the Penn State incidents crop up again and again.

In October 2000, a ceremony titled “A Service of Affirmation of the Human Dignity of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender People” was held in Eisenhower Chapel.

The Rev. Joseph Hlubik, Penn State Catholic Community campus minister, said that although some Bible passages speak negatively of homosexuality, there are positive images as well.

Later that month he wrote an essay saying, “Fortunately, with a few positive thought-provoking image of gays portrayed on television and movies and maybe even encounters with gays in our own lives, it is becoming common enough to be a topic of discussion.”

Conservative Catholics, including a priest, were outraged and wrote a response, saying Hlubik’s statements were contrary to the faith. In an ad in a State College newspaper, they said, “If they assert their homosexuality, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when irrational and violent acts increase.”

That ad elicited a response from diocese spokeswoman Parks, who said it was “highly inappropriate” for a priest to criticize another.

Brown criticized the ad for its “homophobic negativity,” and the ad also was criticized by Mary McClanahan, a Penn State staff psychologist.

She said, “The American Psychiatric Association has recognized for more than a quarter of a century that being lesbian, gay or bisexual indicates no disorder.”

Foster and his conservative colleagues today point to new studies they say give Rose’s book credibility and discredit more liberal thinking.

News reports last week described research by Judith Reisman, who used numbers from 1992 U.S. Statistic Abstracts. She found that the gay population has a large subset that “commits multiple, repeated sex offenses.”

Mixed messages

Another outspoken conservative in the diocese is a former employee.

Brian Barcaro, who edits the Diocese Report Web site, says the issues are doctrinal.

Barcaro and the diocese parted company on bad terms, with the diocese saying he was fired and Barcaro saying he left for personal reasons.

His view is that the Church’s troubles today stem from too many dioceses that “refuse to follow the Church’s teachings.

“At one point it was said to be OK for priests at Penn State to be involved with homosexual groups. I was told to shut up. I said that if I’m raising money for the diocese, I need to follow Church teachings. We did not separate on good terms.

“There are problems in the Church, and there are problems in the diocese,” he said during an interview with The Tribune-Democrat.

“There’s a lack of doctrinal enforcement.”

Foster agrees.

“What keeps me comfortable is that I know what’s right and wrong. It isn’t a problem with improper Church teachings. It’s a problem with the teaching not being passed on. The solution now is to handle the problem and not be embarrassed.”

A neutral viewpoint comes from devout Catholic and Cambria County President Commissioner Fred Soisson.

Once aspiring to be a priest, he began with what was then a high school program.

“The problem was that this is too early a time to make that decision. A lot of young men went in, but then matured and recognized that maybe they made the wrong decisions. Celibacy is unnatural, and to lead a celibate life, you must have a vocation.”

Soisson says his faith is not shaken by the sex scandals, and suspects that some complaints are false.

“The problem today is that the Church overlooked bad situations. Now, because of the media coverage, they can’t hide it anymore. They can no longer afford to sweep it under the table.”

©Tribune Democrat 2002



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To: Domestic Church
Why didn't "I watched" hit the fire alarm...anything to stop this digusting horror

I know I watched.

I wish it were as easy as that.

When you're in a diocese where homosexuals are named monsignors and given the prime parishes, and where the seminary staff is openly gay, just how far do you think one orthodox seminarian would get in trying to hit the fire alarm.

One orthodox seminarian can only leave and find another place.

Another of our seminarians was sent for psychological eval to a facility outside Philly recently. He was "too rigid" also. But he's tough and won't let them break him. He's being ordained next week. This new crop of priests are good, faithful, orthodox. The liberals are taking their last dying grasps, but obviously plan to take as many souls with them as possible.

41 posted on 05/05/2002 6:46:30 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: B Knotts
I think we need a kind of elite squad of assistant inquisitors

I'm all for this but I think they're going to need a different title if you get my drift;)

42 posted on 05/05/2002 6:47:34 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: stands2reason
The operative word underlying these scandals is liberal
43 posted on 05/05/2002 6:49:31 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
Many of the bishops "ruling" the Church in Christ's Name have made a grand mess of things, haven't they?

Without a doubt.

44 posted on 05/05/2002 6:59:16 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: B Knotts
You're not going to deny, are you, that there are many parishes which violate canon law on a regular basis?

I wouldn't know. I go to one parish, and "canon law" is followed to the letter.

If you have the time to patrol practices in different parishes, make notes, and turn these guys into to the bishop, knock yourself out.

I was a hall monitor in junior high and the job of snitch just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

Oh, BTW, nobody in Rome is going to listen to you.

45 posted on 05/05/2002 6:59:18 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: NYer
That link literally turned my stomach.
46 posted on 05/05/2002 7:04:22 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: St.Chuck
Dr. Brown, I suppose, is your idea of the laity being more involved.

Dr. Brown's a weirdo.

If I were a bishop and using a psychiatrist to evaluate seminarians, I'd pick a Jewish female, someone who has no vested interest in eliminating one type of seminarian or another. I'd pay her, and she'd follow the profile I set.

And, she'd have to agree to keep her name out of the papers. Not all publicity is good publicity, as the article above attests.

47 posted on 05/05/2002 7:05:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I gew up in Altoona, spent much time in Sinking Valley and Spruce Creek. I miss the area, though I'm still in the diocese, in Johnstown PA

One of my great consolations is knowing that my roots too are in Cambria County--blessed by the heritage of Father Gallitzen and the faithful Catholics he gathered around him in Loretto and the surrounding area. Many of my ancestors there showed us the way to live as true Catholics and were deeply imbedded in the truth even though many of them could neither read nor write. It still amazes me that Rembert Weakland could have come out of these roots. How he has betrayed us! But we can be grateful for Dr. Michael Novak and Dr. Brian Kopp who still proclaim the truth in the midst of adversity.----Am going to visit the graves of my ancestors at St. Michael's Cemetery in Loretto and the cemetery in Conawego in early August. Hope I live that long.

48 posted on 05/05/2002 7:24:48 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: sinkspur
I wouldn't know. I go to one parish, and "canon law" is followed to the letter.

I go to one parish, and "canon law" is mostly obeyed, with some exceptions regarding Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers.

If you have the time to patrol practices in different parishes, make notes, and turn these guys into to the bishop, knock yourself out.

Please stop misrepresenting what I said. I specified "assistant inquisitors," who would quite obviously not be lay people, which would leave me out of it. I already have a job; thank you. Furthermore, I don't think enforcing the teachings of the Church constitutes "snitching."

The things I'm concerned about are the types of things talked about in this article, where diocesan officials are in direct disobedience to the Magisterium on doctrinal issues. I think that's somewhat important. Apparently, you disagree. So be it.

49 posted on 05/05/2002 7:43:32 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Diago
You were right on point with that remark.I need to repeat it for those who missed it."GIVE US BARABBAS.I alsays thought it interesting and in these times especially, that the name Barabbas means "son of man".
50 posted on 05/05/2002 7:46:42 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur
BTW, let me just ask you point blank...do you think practicing homosexuals should be allowed to stay in the priesthood and/or enter the seminaries?
51 posted on 05/05/2002 7:49:56 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Domestic Church
Why didn't "I watched" hit the fire alarm...

Because they're treating the seminary like a frat party ... or some Mardi Gras gone wild where girls can be passed around like cave carne canapes?

I guess you can tell it was just a seminary by the way the predator neither shared nor had pix to pass around afterwards.

ANIMAL HOUSE IN PORN SHOCKER (Dartmouth)

52 posted on 05/05/2002 7:58:32 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: B Knotts
If only.
53 posted on 05/05/2002 8:12:25 PM PDT by tiki
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To: sinkspur
I've been trying to figure out just who your posts reminded me of. They seemed so familiar. Then I got it. You sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Agains who are constantly slandering the Church, trying to convince me it is the whore of Babylon. I hope to God you aren't sharing you "enlightened" " progressive" views in your ministries.
54 posted on 05/05/2002 8:20:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think sinkspur's a good guy; we just have some disagreements. I wouldn't disparage his personal character just because of those disagreements, no matter how frustrating he can be.
55 posted on 05/05/2002 8:25:12 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
I'm not disparaging his personal character, I'm just stating what his posts remind me of. I am quite sincere. No insult intended. I've seen some very nice people use their positions in ministries of RCIA, marriage prep, Confirmation, etc. to spread misinformation and dissent, and I pray that is not happening in his case.
56 posted on 05/05/2002 8:30:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: B Knotts
do you think practicing homosexuals should be allowed to stay in the priesthood and/or enter the seminaries?

No to both. But, good luck on finding out who are the "practicing homosexuals" among ordained priests.

57 posted on 05/05/2002 9:07:32 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Jeff Chandler
You sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Agains who are constantly slandering the Church, trying to convince me it is the whore of Babylon. I hope to God you aren't sharing you "enlightened" " progressive" views in your ministries.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

And, if you think I'm "slandering the Church", then you're galactically stupid.

I've been engaged in the RCIA and Engaged Couples ministry for seven years. Nobody seems to have a problem with my views.

Maybe you ought to contact BKnotts; he needs some snitches to roam the parishes in search of violators of canon law.

58 posted on 05/05/2002 9:11:55 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: B Knotts
The things I'm concerned about are the types of things talked about in this article, where diocesan officials are in direct disobedience to the Magisterium on doctrinal issues. I think that's somewhat important. Apparently, you disagree. So be it.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about the people who run through red lights six blocks up the street.

Maybe we could station some "inquisitors" up there to turn in license plate numbers to the Euless cops.

59 posted on 05/05/2002 9:16:01 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I didn't say you were slandering the Church, and I won't call you galactically stupid, just someone who reads too quickly and infers more than is implied.
60 posted on 05/05/2002 9:34:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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