Priest's affidavit accuses late bishop

AP via North Jersey.com ^ | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 | JOHN CURRAN

[Palladin]

Count me in as one who is puzzled as to how the moderators assign threads to one forum or another. This scandal in the Catholic church is headline news, and most of the articles should appear in news under Crime and Corruption.

However, some few insist on hijacking a news thread and changing the topic to some theological or denominational argument. In those cases, the thread should be shifted to Religion.

[Coleus]

It was St. John Crysotystom, 300-360 A.D., who said, "The floors of Hell are littered with the skulls of bishops"

How prophetic.

[Slyfox]

In reading Anne Emmerich's work, Our Lord suffered mentally the most in the garden when contemplating the betrayal of his own priests. Our Lord also suffered the indignity of hanging on the cross naked, until His mother's prayers intervened. He was atoning for the sins of the flesh through his scouraging and His nakedness on the cross. But, I can't help thinking that the Church is mirroring the suffering of Jesus right now with this humiliating spectacle of sexual pervsion which has infected our Church.

[Jim Robinson]

The mission of Free Republic does not include dumping on the Catholic Church (or any other church or religion). And dumping is what the press is doing and what some of you on Free Republic are doing.

[chatham]

There needs to be a Purge and Purification of the Hierarchy due to the fact that our Cardinals and Bishops seem to be brain dead when it comes to judging right from wrong and they have been doing a bad job for the last 30 years or more.

Or else they are involved or subject to Blackmail by the Homosexual Perverted Priests,the problem is Systemic and pervades the Hierarchy throughout the U.S.A.

Luke 20:

45 While all the people were listening, Jesus said to his disciples, 46 "Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. 47 They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely."

If this section of the Bible doesn't address the current Hierarchy ,I don't know what does.

Every day it gets worse and worse and it doesn't seem we have reached the bottom of the problem yet.

[AKA Elena]

Thanks Jim -- well said -- I'm sure it is difficult to separate the "news" in this matter from the "piling on" of the media.

[fatima]

* Guilfoyle's successor, Bishop James T. McHugh, coerced Adamo into remaining silent on the topic, threatening to remove him as pastor of St. Vincent Palloti parish in Haddon Township and withhold pension money.

I knew Bishop McHugh and this is not true.He was a good man with a great devotion to Our Lady and a great prolifer.Once he took my parking spot for a large gathering.I had a TV crew with me and we had to walk 3 blocks with all the equipment to the church.We tried to go in the side door and set up quietly but as I opened the door of the church I could hear on the microphone,to a packed chuch,with the Bishop getting ready to process,"She's here Bishop,please wait a few minutes.He smiled and we set up and then he processed.

[history_matters]

Glad to know the truth.

[history_matters]

Have you gotten some feedback yet on what criteria they are using or are we to just keep a log of what moves (and what doesn't) and figure it out ourselves?

At first it mattered to me, now I don't care. Apparently, if the item is Catholic it gets moved to the religion forum no matter what it is about. Jim Robinson posted to me that he regards what the press is doing as dumping on the Catholic Church and that FR doesn't exist to dump on any religion. He also said he believed some of us were dumping on the Cathoilc Church. I got the impression he didn't realize I was Roman Catholic, but never mind.

[Askel5]

I'm sure that does play a part in it ... trying to "protect" the Catholics.

But ... there again. Just as I wish bashing would stand as a rule, I do wish "News/Activism" got its fair share of the Catholic Bashing ongoing at present. It's not like the Catholics have asked for protection.

Perhaps the whole storyline serves as an unpleasant reminder of how biased and deceitful is the press on which folks around here increasingly rely on and whose stories they're cheering as long as the media's coverage tells them what they want to hear.

Who knows.

[history_matters]

The mission of Free Republic does not include dumping on the Catholic Church (or any other church or religion). And dumping is what the press is doing and what some of you on Free Republic are doing.

I am glad to read that you feel this way. I am Roman Catholic. I am interested in discussing what is in the news and analyzing what is going on. If the media are dumping on the Catholic Church, I would rather see it posted and Freepers expose what is going on by discussion and analysis. Underneath the Catholic bashing is an agenda that is as dangerous to the Republic as it is devastating to people of faith

When I have posted one of these articles dealing with the crisis in the Catholic Church in America it has been for the purpose of awareness and discussion which is what I thought FR was about. I have in no way sought to dump on the Church I love, but rather to keep FReepers informed and aware of the tenor of information as well as the agenda behind it. Perhaps I have not achieved my goals in that regard.

I do thank you for the time I have had on this forum. I have enjoyed it and getting to know the very able and bright minds and good souls here, but now I bid you and all adieu and God's peace.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Then why are you dumping these threads in the Religion Forum ghetto? If you mean what you say below, and you are a man of your word, then you would simply delete the thread altogether. But instead you pull it and dump it into the Religion Forum ghetto. Bit hypocritical if you mean what you say here, No?

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To: history_matters

The mission of Free Republic does not include dumping on the Catholic Church (or any other church or religion). And dumping is what the press is doing and what some of you on Free Republic are doing.

24 posted on 5/2/02 3:03 PM Eastern by Jim Robinson
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[Nubbin]

Why are you leaving FR? Because threads pertaining to the scandal are moved to the Religion forum? The catholics who inhabit FR can be pinged to the post, and they are the ones who, like you, love and are genuinely concerned about the Church during this crisis. I think there is less catholic bashing when it's done this way.

Honestly, you cannot have a serious discussion regarding the crisis in the church when fundies invade a thread and begin to bash all things catholic. You've been here long enough to realize that you can neither reason with them or regain control and get a thread back on topic once that "the Catholic Church is an evil, satanic cult" crap starts.

I don't think it's worth leaving FR over.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Honestly, you cannot have a serious discussion regarding the crisis in the church when fundies invade a thread and begin to bash all things catholic.

Jim Rob knows full well that it is the Religion Forum ghetto where the fundies hang out, circling for fresh meat like so many wolves in sheeps clothing.

The place the "other side" needs to be heard is among the general readership.

The ONLY thing that is allowed to remain any more on the News Forum are the most secular critical reports, that present all things Catholic in a negative light.

That is the only thing these so-called conservatives here, who do not frequest the Religion Forumghetto, are permitted to see.

Thus we all are simply wasting our time preaching to the choir here in the Religion Forumghetto.

The way this patronizing censorship is going, there is no equal time to defend the Church. And thus a very real, even if unintentional, anti-Catholic bias is being cemented right into the very structure of this new FR Format.

And that is why Catholic FReepers are leaving.

[JMJ333]

I do appreciate your efforts, as I saw what happened last night on the "Five Point Calvinism, The position of Fundamental Baptist World-Wide Mission" thread.

I think you are very fair in how you deal with people. You have a lot more patience than myself. Regards.

[Nubbin]

And that is why Catholic FReepers are leaving.

May I ask where you are all going? And can I come too?

[JMJ333]

Don't leave! =)

Jim makes mistakes in judgement just like we all have at one time or another. He has to deal with so much on this forum from, bigots, people who have agendas, and disruptors, so the error was understandable. I hope you'll give your decision a second thought.

[history_matters]

I owe a bit of an explanation. I am not leaving just because of the threads -- you can think of that more as the straw that broke the camel's back -- but that is even overstated. I have received really awful freepermail from non-Catholics as well as some Catholics, and it is not good for me. I'm undergoing chemo just now, and am scheduled for surgery to remove a tumor that's around my lower spine. I thought I was doing something good for the Church and my fellow FReepers but apparently a large number of folks including Jim disagree. So I'm going for now. Please say a prayer for me. God bless.

[katnip]

You are making me cry.
Who's going to guide me to all those "Devotions" and Saints I don't know about?
Please, get yourself well and then come back.
I am praying for you.

[fatima]

You will be in my prayers friend and thank you for keeping me updated on all the lastest info ,God bless you,fatima